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"The Rockefeller Foundation helped found the German eugenics program and even funded the program that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz."
Really? The actions of the Rockefeller Foundation is now the "USA's" fault? They act for the government and its people?
There were/are sympathizers with Hitler and Germany's goals throughout Europe, the US and Canada back then and TO THIS DAY.
Many German-descent people and immigrants in the United States were also leading forces arguing against the US getting involved in war against Germany.
Really? The actions of the Rockefeller Foundation is now the "USA's" fault? They act for the government and its people?
There were/are sympathizers with Hitler and Germany's goals throughout Europe, the US and Canada back then and TO THIS DAY.
Many German-descent people and immigrants in the United States were also leading forces arguing against the US getting involved in war against Germany.
It was a whole lot of people and organizations, including Ivy-League universities, that supported euthanasia based on race, much of the ideological and pseudo-scientific foundation of the holocaust came from the US, including the ideal of the nordic race, the gas chamber to kill off people deemed unfit, etc. Just like a lot of funding of Nazi programs came from the US.
One can without a doubt say that without the US there would not have been a holocaust in Europe...
It was a whole lot of people and organizations, including Ivy-League universities, that supported euthanasia based on race, much of the ideological and pseudo-scientific foundation of the holocaust came from the US, including the ideal of the nordic race, the gas chamber to kill off people deemed unfit, etc. Just like a lot of funding of Nazi programs came from the US.
One can without a doubt say that without the US there would not have been a holocaust in Europe...
One can also without a doubt say that without eugenics Planned Parenthood would not exist. Margaret Sanger's entire goal in starting the organization was to provide contraception for immigrant women so that they would not spread their 'inferior' genes.
It was a whole lot of people and organizations, including Ivy-League universities, that supported euthanasia based on race, much of the ideological and pseudo-scientific foundation of the holocaust came from the US, including the ideal of the nordic race, the gas chamber to kill off people deemed unfit, etc. Just like a lot of funding of Nazi programs came from the US.
One can without a doubt say that without the US there would not have been a holocaust in Europe...
two points. first, you left out that it was American PROGRESSIVES that led the charge for euthanasia.
second, while it is true that American progressive intelectuals were in favor of euthanasia (including hero of the left Woodrow Wilson) it is impossible to say that the Aryain insanity of the German Nazis would not have happened without America.
America NEVER held such high hatred for the Jewish people that was RAMPANT in Europe for centries. In fact Europeans still have serious hatred issues toward the Jewish people to this day.
Neuling, we often disagree, but I have found you to be someone I can have a discussion with without rancor. I have appreciated your posting and tend to read your posts because of the different and welcomed perspective. But this post here falls well short of the mark.
two points. first, you left out that it was American PROGRESSIVES that led the charge for euthanasia.
second, while it is true that American progressive intelectuals were in favor of euthanasia (including hero of the left Woodrow Wilson) it is impossible to say that the Aryain insanity of the German Nazis would not have happened without America.
America NEVER held such high hatred for the Jewish people that was RAMPANT in Europe for centries. In fact Europeans still have serious hatred issues toward the Jewish people to this day.
Neuling, we often disagree, but I have found you to be someone I can have a discussion with without rancor. I have appreciated your posting and tend to read your posts because of the different and welcomed perspective. But this post here falls well short of the mark.
Yes, what were called progressives back then, which certainly meant something different from today's progressives.
Most people in Europe have never cared about Jews and still don't care about Jews, neither in a positive or negative way. It has always been a small group of zealous people like for instance the Church that have promoted hate of Jews, Gypsies, etc. Actually, I think Gypsies are more disliked than Jews in Europe, both today and in the past.
And in the US it is the same, there is a small percentage of people who always hated and still hate Jews, Blacks, Muslims, etc. with all their heart, not a bit less so than some Nazis did. Most Nazis didn't even hate Jews, and even less so did Germans as a whole, most just went with the flow, caught up in a movement and the fear of being persecuted if they were outside the movement, being forced to take sides. Most Nazis simply felt nothing as their victims had already been dehumanized. It was more like we are treating farm animals today.
Most humans tend to go the way of least resistance, not least because they have families depending on them.
I do think there would not have been a Holocaust without those Americans because Hitler was anything but an intellectual, he could not have developed his hate speeches and ideology because he lacked the pseudo-science that gave his words the impression that there was something to his views, with the goal of ultimately winning over as many people as possible. Hitler himself wrote that the racist book "The Passing of the Great Race" by eugenic leader Madison Grant was his bible.
One can also without a doubt say that without eugenics Planned Parenthood would not exist. Margaret Sanger's entire goal in starting the organization was to provide contraception for immigrant women so that they would not spread their 'inferior' genes.
Just a bit of history.
That sure backfired as today the more intelligent people have fewer kids than the less intelligent ones do
It was a whole lot of people and organizations, including Ivy-League universities, that supported euthanasia based on race, much of the ideological and pseudo-scientific foundation of the holocaust came from the US, including the ideal of the nordic race, the gas chamber to kill off people deemed unfit, etc. Just like a lot of funding of Nazi programs came from the US.
One can without a doubt say that without the US there would not have been a holocaust in Europe...
Wrong.
The Europeans were among the world's first to start categorizing people along race lines, to put one group of people above others by phenotype. This started in the colonial period, before the United States was ever brought into being.
The earliest HINTS of Eugenic thought actually stem even further, to Greece and Rome.
Nonetheless, while Nazis can claim to be "inspired" by academics whose IDEAS they read, some actually believe that the Holocaust was the exact OPPOSITE of Eugenics...especially American Eugenics, which emphasized breeding by the best. Clearly, killing off a small but highly successful and, dare we say, mentally superior sub-class of people in Germany is actually the OPPOSITE of the goals of Eugenic thought:
Two scholars, John Glad and Seymour W. Itzkoff of Smith College, have questioned the relation between eugenics and the Holocaust. They argue that, contrary to popular belief, Hitler did not regard the Jews as intellectually inferior and did not send them to the concentration camps on these grounds. They argue that Hitler had different reasons for his genocidal policies toward the Jews.[86] Seymour W. Itzkoff writes that the Holocaust was "a vast dysgenic program to rid Europe of highly intelligent challengers to the existing Christian domination by a numerically and politically minuscule minority". Therefore, according to Itzkoff, "the Holocaust was the very antithesis of eugenic practice".[87]
The ideas of eugenics and race were used, in part, as justification for German colonial expansion throughout the world. Germany, as well as Great Britain, sought to seize the colonial territories of other 'dying' empires which could no longer protect their possessions. Examples included China, the Portuguese Empire, the Spanish Empire, the Dutch Empire and the Danish Empire.
"Thus the colonies Germany required for her bursting population, as markets for her overproductive industries and sources of vital raw materials, and as symbols of her world power would simply have to be taken from weaker nations, so the pan-Germans asserted publicly and the German government believed secretly."
But go ahead, blame "America" and the folly of free thought, academia and speech for the horrors wrought by your fellow countrymen if it makes you feel better. Everyone thought the Germans were making progress on their latent guilt issues over WW2 by virtue of time passing. I didn't realize that it was mere transference of blame to the United States!
By your stunning logic, the fact that German scientists were instrumental in the development of the atomic bomb means that Hiroshima and Nagasaki are Germany's problem, since without Germans, there surely would have been no atomic bomb droppings!
Milwaukee, I know little about it as I am not an American. Abroad it must be one of the least known American big city, it NEVER makes the news. But here on CD I have read that racially it still is a rather segregated city.
The spread of Meth might have to do with many a crime in the US, it must be really bad stuff judging from what I have read.
There is little Meth use in Milwaukee and Wisconsin. I had a forensic pathologist lecture in a class, that Wisconsin likes it's drugs old school: heroin. He used to work in California as forensic pathologist and Meth was the more prevalent manner of death in which people over dosed.
The City of Milwaukee is no more racially segregated than Chicago or New York City. And the Near South Side of Milwaukee is the most racially diverse place in the whole of Wisconsin and probably as racially diverse as your most racially diverse neighborhoods of New York.
What is racially segregated in a "hyper" sense is the County of Milwaukee. And it is true that it is very racially segregated. Basically, the County is the City of Milwaukee with all its official suburban cities.
Also, the City of Milwaukee is not one of the more dangerous U.S. cities. There are plenty of U.S. cities much more violent and homicidal than Milwaukee. So, keep that in mind. If it's happening in Milwaukee it's happening in many other U.S. cities small and big.
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