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Old 08-12-2013, 02:46 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Reminds me of how some complain about the decline in test scores between the U.S. and some other nations. The reality is that most U.S. students will not put forth the same time and effort as their counterparts do in some nations. Instead, we blame the schools.
True, the fear of robots taking jobs should increase, not decrease our effort. Effort is not chanting in a line 'da man should pay me more than what has ever been paid" (aka the ridiculous $15 an hour demand for a McJob). Effort is working during your hours away from a McJob to reach for the levels above McJobs.
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Old 08-12-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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Reminds me of how some complain about the decline in test scores between the U.S. and some other nations. The reality is that most U.S. students will not put forth the same time and effort as their counterparts do in some nations. Instead, we blame the schools.
Or it could be that cheating is more acceptable in certain cultures.
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Old 08-12-2013, 02:59 PM
 
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Or it could be that cheating is more acceptable in certain cultures.
bingo! There are plenty of hard working, highly motivated students in the US, many of these self flagellating statistics are misleading even outright bogus.

In shame based cultures cheating is only bad if you get caught.
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I never said otherwise. but mid to lower skill workers are better able to adapt.

I wasn't bashing them, just fearing what would happen to them.

Not sure what your point is.
Nothing personal...

There is a 30 year trend whereby the economy has increased demand for both high and low skilled workers while opportunities for middle-skill workers have declined. Burger flipping aside, it's the routine, procedural- rule based jobs that are being replaced by technology.
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Or it could be that cheating is more acceptable in certain cultures.
That kids in some cultures attend school 8 hours a day, 5-6 days a week and spend an additional 8 hours a night on homework and preparation for the next day, probably does not factor into it.
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:09 PM
 
Location: NJ
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That kids in some cultures attend school 8 hours a day, 5-6 days a week and spend an additional 8 hours a night on homework and preparation for the next day, probably does not factor into it.
How does that leave 6 hours to watch reality tv daily?
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:24 PM
 
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Yes, I've said it before. A capitalist society depends on people with money in their pockets. If they can't get a job who pays the guy to build the robot? When these robots can do every imaginable job there is including designing, building and fixing other robots what then? I really don't think that time is too far off in the future.

Watson, walking robots....
Perhaps a global corporatocracy has a radically different economic model to live by?

And automation is coming sooner than most are comfortable with. Then there is the novelty of the very first human implant that will automatically dispense medication as needed that is being tested for widespread use at this very moment, with a rollout expected by 2014-15. Quite different from Implanon, this device has sensors to react accordingly rather than simply releasing a regular dose on schedule. And they can be accessed wirelessly!

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ant-medication

A Personal Blood-testing Laboratory Under Your Skin

Medicine in a microchip: Implant holds up to 400 doses, could replace needles | MedCity News

These times are heady indeed!
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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To me this is more of job transference than job elimination. A successful venture would require an R&D team, robot manufacturers, robot salespersons and robot repairpersons. All more highly skilled jobs and susequently higher paying jobds than that the of flippers.
Great, and how are you going to get the people who choose to flip burgers for a living doing those jobs when they can't be bothered to educate themselves enough to qualify for anything better currently?
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:52 PM
 
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That kids in some cultures attend school 8 hours a day, 5-6 days a week and spend an additional 8 hours a night on homework and preparation for the next day, probably does not factor into it.
which cultures do that? s. koreans?
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:52 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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This is a very interesting article and an interesting company.

From SingularityHUB - "No longer will they say, “He’s going to end up flipping burgers.” Because now, robots are taking even these ignobly esteemed jobs. Alpha machine from Momentum Machines cooks up a tasty burger with all the fixins. And it does it with such quality and efficiency it’ll produce “gourmet quality burgers at fast food prices.”

Robot Serves Up 360 Hamburgers Per Hour | Singularity Hub

And the company - Momentum Machines | The Next Industrial Revolution

IMO this is a natural reaction to this - SouthCoast advocates carve their own path as fast food workers strike across U.S. | SouthCoastToday.com

As technology gets cheaper and the Obama administration helps make human capital more expensive more people are going to start losing their jobs
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... as opposed to the alternative of working at a wage you can't survive on?


Development of that machine has NOTHING to do with the fast food workers strike. It takes a longgggg time to develop such a machine and it was clearly in development long before fast food workers went on strike (try to use a little commons sense will ya'?).

This is simply just one more job - like factory assemblers and checkout clerks - that's will eventually be almost completely replaced by machines.

Taxi drivers, bus drivers and truck drivers are "at risk" as well. Cars already on the market can park themselves, be on cruise control and stay in their own lane and adjust their speed according to the surrounding traffic (even in stop and go traffic), and stop themselves if someone gets in their way. Google has developed a car that has ALREADY driven over 300,000 miles in the LA area in all kinds of traffic without intervention - stopping at stop signs and traffic lights, merging in flowing traffic, and avoiding pedestrians, so vehicle driving jobs - from taxi drivers to bus drivers to delivery truck drivers - could be on the way out soon (some warehouses already feature driverless forklifts).

And none of it has ANYTHING to do with Obama.

Ken
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