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Who says California is the laughing stock of the US? Conservatives? I'd consider Mississippi, Alabama, or Florida to be worse.
As someone who was born and raised in CA and then at the tender age of 35 moved out and then lived in a bunch of other states I can tell you CA is not well thought of in many/most other states. Most either have told me the old joke of "it's a bowl of granola, you've got your fruits,nuts and what's left are flakes" or asked how we live around a bunch of beach bums and socialist gay people.
Of course this can depend on what part of CA you're from if you're given the chance to explain that the area you're from is nowhere near either L.A. or S.F..
We've also run into several places that have great disdain for CA because many of those that came before us tried to change their "new" area into what they moved away from. I can't count how many times I've heard "well where we came from in CA they did it this way".
Unfortunately Gov. Moonbeam has done y'all no favors with this law.
Claims of "species dysphoria" is just as valid as "gender dysphoria". GD is just a made up PC diagnosis from those not wanting to call it what it is - mental illness. Acquiescence to such madness is not a valid solution. Mutilation does not change the nature of an individual - carving off of a man's penis, along with the insertion of rubber boobs, does make him a woman, not does allowing a woman to undergo an addadictomy make her a man. It makes them mentally ill people who are now mutilated on top of everything else. Such a condition within the minds of the sick does not deserve for a moment the "respect" of which you speak.
Giving in to the delusions of the insane who comprise less than 0.1% at the discomfort of the other 99.9% of the population is madness. If I teach my cat to bark, it doesn't make him a dog.
Therapy may be a solution, along with ample doses of psychotropic drugs. For others, confinement in an appropriate secure institution far, far away from the general public may be the solution.
And claims of victimhood and bigotry is the last refuge of the defeated.
I really don't want to keep repeating myself, because it's going to fall on deaf ears here. The whole issue of transgender people and bathrooms is complex and I don't think there's one clear solution. I personally think that California's decision is a bit shorted-sighted and too soon, as there are real physical differences for transgendered individuals that have not transitioned and we are still working out what that all means. Then again, a lot of white people felt uncomfortable sharing bathrooms with black people back in the day, and I am not transgender, so I have no idea what they think.
But what you've typed, and many of the other responses on here - this is not only bigotry, this is hatred. I choose not to denigrate other people because they are different from me. Obviously a lot of other people here aren't capable of doing that. You might think that getting a sex change is funny, whimsical, or mentally crazy, but for people who actually are physically one sex and psychologically another, it's their life. A lot of them end up committing suicide. Is that what you all want?
If your little Lucy and don't want some guys wang slinging around the girls locker room tough.
California Gov. Jerry Brown signed a controversial bill into law Monday afternoon allowing the state’s transgender public school students to choose which bathrooms they use and whether they participate in boy or girl sports.
The law would cover the state’s 6.2 million elementary and high school kids in public schools.
Supporters say the law will help cut down on bullying against transgender students, The families of transgender students have been waging local battles with school districts around the country over what restrooms and locker rooms their children can use.
"Now, every transgender student in California will be able to get up in the morning knowing that when they go to school as their authentic self they will have the same fair chance at success as their classmates,” Masen Davis, Executive Director of Transgender Law Center said.
Personally, I think this sounds like a good move. I suppose I'm in the minority on this thread. So, I guess I'm going to back up a little bit to make sure we are all talking about the same things:
My understanding of "transgender" is that it literally means, "across genders," and I believe, a transgender person is defined as a person who identifies as a gender other than the gender s/he was assigned at birth.
My experience has been that most people who identify as "transgender" do NOT feel that they can change that. Who would voluntarily become a member of a persecuted minority group? Most "trans" people I know, had some sort of inarticulate sense that they belonged as a member of the other gender (the one not assigned to them) at a very early age, like 3. And then this "sense" didn't change and only became more pronounced into adulthood. The happiest, most well adapted "trans" people I know, are the ones who have "transitioned," meaning live full time as a gender other than the one assigned at birth. And chances are, you know someone in this category and are unaware of it. The majority of transgender people that I know are not visibly transgender, meaning you cannot tell they are transgender by looking at them (they "pass"). They look just like non-transgender men and women. And they may not tell you or most people that they are transgender because that would open them up to possible discrimination or judgement.
Transitioning (before, during, and after): Because it's expected of most people to identify as the gender they were assigned at birth, most people will make an effort to do so. At some point, many (or most) transgender people discover that they would be better off if they "transition," meaning live life identifying a gender other than the one assigned at birth.*** At that point many transgender people go through a "transition" stage where they either look gender ambiguous or not fully male or female. After transitioning, a transgender person usually "passes" or looks like the gender s/he identifies as. A very common misunderstanding is that you can tell if someone is transgender by looking at him or her. This is not the case, as explained in this paragraph. I might also add that "transitioning" entails different things for different people. Not everyone uses hormones, etc. to transition. But I feel that this is getting into too much detail, unless you really want to know.
To dispel some myths about transgender people, I thought I'd include some links and names of "out" transgender people who are either public figures or have volunteered for this sort of "awareness raising":
***I was going to say that that realization in the 4th paragraph is often times scary and overwhelming for many reasons including the potential of losing friends or being abandoned by family. I didn't want to chop up the paragraph's sequence of events: before, during, and after transition, so I put that part here.
We've also run into several places that have great disdain for CA because
many of those that came before us tried to change their "new" area into what
they moved away from. I can't count how many times I've heard "well where we
came from in CA they did it this way".
Utter BS since "everyone from CA" who went somewhere else usually started from somewhere other than CA. The whole "californication" is an urban myth...it's the people (or powers) of wherever that want to make changes. If they happen to be something CA has it's because, and this is fact, PEOPLE LIKE WHAT'S IN CALIFORNIA. It's not a matter of Californian's going forth and changing the country, there aren't enough Californian's in California to do that much less in other states. But it's better to blame CA than admit to wanting to copy it I suppose. Low self esteem states do it most. And it's amusing to me that you think YOU aren't like that, no, just those from LA and SF or something...but not YOU. HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Utter BS since "everyone from CA" who went somewhere else usually started from somewhere other than CA. The whole "californication" is an urban myth...it's the people (or powers) of wherever that want to make changes. If they happen to be something CA has it's because, and this is fact, PEOPLE LIKE WHAT'S IN CALIFORNIA. It's not a matter of Californian's going forth and changing the country, there aren't enough Californian's in California to do that much less in other states. But it's better to blame CA than admit to wanting to copy it I suppose. Low self esteem states do it most. And it's amusing to me that you think YOU aren't like that, no, just those from LA and SF or something...but not YOU. HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Yep.
The numbers of old, White, homophobic, anti-immigrant, racist, conservative, Christian, Republicans that go back several generations in the Golden State are diminishing. Death, relocation, or held up in their homes spending their last few days posting on C-D.
My brother lived east of L.A. for years before moving back to the Midwest because he wanted kids and a house. He ended up in Florida to "lessen" the blow. His first two observations upon arriving in Florida...
1. There is no substitute for California.
2. Many people there also did a tour of duty in California before returning to their roots in the Midwest/Northeast before re-settling in Florida. Same theory for them: maybe Florida will "lessen" the blow of having to leave California.
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