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Its part of a WAY bigger agenda. The stakes of power here are enormous. If the door they are knocking on gets kicked down, so much more than gun rights are at stake. I keep getting my brain overloaded by all the possible ramifications.
This is starting to smell like the biggest, legally fronted, power grab in US history, by government officials. Elected ones. This sure is NOT all about public safety and violent crime involving firearms.
The blanket demonization of gun owners and gun rights advocates has a big audience in CAs huge urban centers. This creates that illusion oc massive public support helping these legislative measures pass, and passing a carte blanche the the legislators to just completely disassemble the rights of CAs citizens. All of them.
Next they will wang to ban firearms and firearms rights literature in the state. As a hazard to public safety. Scratch the First amendment. Then, LE will need certain "extraneous" powers of search and seizure if suspected firearms violations are involved in complaints or investigations. So long fourth amendment. I don't put anything past CA lawmakers.
You are absolutely right in your assessment of the situation. If California can usurp the federal power of constitutional preemption the we might as well tear up the BOR and use it for toilet paper. The SCOTUS has defined the parameters of the 2nd. If California can supersede the SCOTUS ruling then our founding principles are lost and state's rights anarchy will rule. That's why we as gun owners and the NRA must put all their eggs in this basket to defeat these draconian gun control bills.
Its part of a WAY bigger agenda. The stakes of power here are enormous. If the door they are knocking on gets kicked down, so much more than gun rights are at stake. I keep getting my brain overloaded by all the possible ramifications.
This is starting to smell like the biggest, legally fronted, power grab in US history, by government officials. Elected ones. This sure is NOT all about public safety and violent crime involving firearms.
The blanket demonization of gun owners and gun rights advocates has a big audience in CAs huge urban centers. This creates that illusion oc massive public support helping these legislative measures pass, and passing a carte blanche the the legislators to just completely disassemble the rights of CAs citizens. All of them.
Next they will wang to ban firearms and firearms rights literature in the state. As a hazard to public safety. Scratch the First amendment. Then, LE will need certain "extraneous" powers of search and seizure if suspected firearms violations are involved in complaints or investigations. So long fourth amendment. I don't put anything past CA lawmakers.
You are getting carried away - and not to any good purpose. The second has been contentious for many decades. The present court has given the gunnies there biggest victory in one way and a savage defeat in another.
None of this particularly reads on other amendments or clauses. It is a pecuiliar, somewhat blood thirsty directive from our founders. But it has little real support. Even the support in the gun community is limited to the hard core. A pistol carried for self protection and a medium machine gun appeal to vastly different audiences.
There is and has always been pressure on the first and fourth. Police authorities have never liked the fourth ...makes their job hard. In practice they routinely ignore them. Often lying about it. But the basic requirement has never really changed. Suggesting this is policy from on high however is not reasonable. The police are one of the stake holders and assert influence on the others. But they are seldom very popular in the political domain. More an annoyance to be suffered.
Its part of a WAY bigger agenda. The stakes of power here are enormous. If the door they are knocking on gets kicked down, so much more than gun rights are at stake. I keep getting my brain overloaded by all the possible ramifications.
This is starting to smell like the biggest, legally fronted, power grab in US history, by government officials. Elected ones. This sure is NOT all about public safety and violent crime involving firearms.
The blanket demonization of gun owners and gun rights advocates has a big audience in CAs huge urban centers. This creates that illusion oc massive public support helping these legislative measures pass, and passing a carte blanche the the legislators to just completely disassemble the rights of CAs citizens. All of them.
Next they will wang to ban firearms and firearms rights literature in the state. As a hazard to public safety. Scratch the First amendment. Then, LE will need certain "extraneous" powers of search and seizure if suspected firearms violations are involved in complaints or investigations. So long fourth amendment. I don't put anything past CA lawmakers.
"Just a few more laws" that is what they always say...try these parasites for treason.
You are absolutely right in your assessment of the situation. If California can usurp the federal power of constitutional preemption the we might as well tear up the BOR and use it for toilet paper. The SCOTUS has defined the parameters of the 2nd. If California can supersede the SCOTUS ruling then our founding principles are lost and state's rights anarchy will rule. That's why we as gun owners and the NRA must put all their eggs in this basket to defeat these draconian gun control bills.
All thanks to allowing in millions of illegals, letting them and their anchor babies vote, and they always vote for the hard left....Marxist, Socialist, Communist ect..by letting them in and allowing the kids to become US citizens via birth they have stacked the deck in their statist favor.
You are getting carried away - and not to any good purpose. The second has been contentious for many decades. The present court has given the gunnies there biggest victory in one way and a savage defeat in another.
None of this particularly reads on other amendments or clauses. It is a pecuiliar, somewhat blood thirsty directive from our founders. But it has little real support. Even the support in the gun community is limited to the hard core. A pistol carried for self protection and a medium machine gun appeal to vastly different audiences.
There is and has always been pressure on the first and fourth. Police authorities have never liked the fourth ...makes their job hard. In practice they routinely ignore them. Often lying about it. But the basic requirement has never really changed. Suggesting this is policy from on high however is not reasonable. The police are one of the stake holders and assert influence on the others. But they are seldom very popular in the political domain. More an annoyance to be suffered.
The court has unlimited power over our lives, liberty, rights, and property..that is what the founders had in mind didn't they?
You are getting carried away - and not to any good purpose. The second has been contentious for many decades. The present court has given the gunnies there biggest victory in one way and a savage defeat in another.
None of this particularly reads on other amendments or clauses. It is a pecuiliar, somewhat blood thirsty directive from our founders. But it has little real support. Even the support in the gun community is limited to the hard core. A pistol carried for self protection and a medium machine gun appeal to vastly different audiences.
There is and has always been pressure on the first and fourth. Police authorities have never liked the fourth ...makes their job hard. In practice they routinely ignore them. Often lying about it. But the basic requirement has never really changed. Suggesting this is policy from on high however is not reasonable. The police are one of the stake holders and assert influence on the others. But they are seldom very popular in the political domain. More an annoyance to be suffered.
I don't feel I am getting carried away at all. This states rights to supercede the Constitution and Federal law is a nasty trick. Think about it. Many states have already challenged Federal law, and are winning, on the medicinal marijuana issue, which sets a good precedent for gun bans, which can have many cool little riders attached before being signed enthusiastically into law. I stand by my statements.
I dont put ANYTHING past CAs legislators. Intersesting thing about CA. A liberal icon. A bea on of the "freedoms" that liberalism promises. And, the people they elect to be the leaders oc building Utopia stand with scizsors and Zippos, ready to "appropriatly modify" our most sacred document that declares our rights and freedoms.
No sir! This is just a jumping off point. And a big one too. Much much more will we hear from CA. The amendments I mentioned and you responded to, now....contentious? The 4th is disliked by LE and oft disregarded and the disregard hidden to keep cops out of trouble. Yea. True. That hardly means we sbould just accept that as "the way it is".
These new laws, and the accompanying power they give goverment, need to be exposed for what they are. Unfortunatly , it looks like tbings are going to have to hit between the eyes before CAs liberal majority is going to wake up. When all the extra goodies that will get shovex through with tbese gun bills start to effect THEM, and not just the evil gun owners, Ohhhhhh, I can hear the pathetic howling already. .....
Its part of a WAY bigger agenda. The stakes of power here are enormous. If the door they are knocking on gets kicked down, so much more than gun rights are at stake. I keep getting my brain overloaded by all the possible ramifications.
This is starting to smell like the biggest, legally fronted, power grab in US history, by government officials. Elected ones. This sure is NOT all about public safety and violent crime involving firearms.
Sad that people are so willing to throw their rights away in the name of "safety". There is NOTHING safe about banning arms or making it harder for average law abiding people to own one.
Criminals have guns through the black market, banning guns does NOTHING but make YOU the victims! Why don't people understand this anymore?
All this tells me is that the people of California basically said "sure you can disarm me, Mr. Government. Here are my rights, don't worry I know you'll protect me Mr. Government because you always care about me".
That being said, some Gun Control is necessary and I'm in favour of things like mental health background checks etc... BUT that's not what this is about, the Democrats are taking this too far.
Criminals have guns through the black market, banning guns does NOTHING but make YOU the victims! Why don't people understand this anymore?
All this tells me is that the people of California basically said "sure you can disarm me, Mr. Government. Here are my rights, don't worry I know you'll protect me Mr. Government because you always care about me".
Because their liberal leaders and keepers tell them what to think so they don't have to. Sheeple proliferate!
Insofar as Second Amendment rights are concerned, and in the words of a t-shirt, "Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency."
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