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Old 08-14-2013, 12:34 PM
 
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good View Post
If you can't figure out how to make sense of the two questions that everyone else seems to understand, then that's on you.
Do you know your history? Slavery ended when? We had a Civil War to end it! Emancipation Proclamation?The Civil Rights Act & the Voting Rights Act came a century later.
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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They were liberals back then, but so was the idea of freedom. Now, 'liberals' don't give give a crap about freedom, they care about your obligation to others.
Exactly.

Modern day liberalism as embodied in the Democratic Party bears zero resemblance to the principles of classical liberalism which were the hallmarks of our republic's founding and the wellspring that birthed the abolitionist movement.

Todays liberalism is socialist, extreme left-wing, prefers government control of enterprise, fosters dependence, imposes tyranny, and believes that some people are more equal than others.

The party that promotes free enterprise, supports liberty, fosters opportunity, and values equality for and among all - all classical liberal ideals - is the Republican Party.
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Are you denying that the Republican Party was founded on the principle of abolition of slavery?

Are you denying that the Democratic Party opposed abolition?
Did you see me ask anything about Republicans or Democrats? No. I asked SPECIFICALLY about Liberals and Conservatives.
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Did you see me ask anything about Republicans or Democrats? No. I asked SPECIFICALLY about Liberals and Conservatives.
Liberal = Democrat.

Conservative = Republican.

Do you deny that also?
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:38 PM
 
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I was mocking your facetious use of "Both." Again, I didn't ask about political parties. I asked about Liberals vs Conservatives.
That question then becomes unanswerable.

My answer was not facetious. It was based Dems and Reps who actually took part in passing the laws - but the answer was not facetious.
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Three separate questions, requiring 3 different answers, but using a forum for opinions or fact finding? A simple Google search would suffice.
1. Was it Liberals or Conservatives that freed the slaves?
2. Was it Liberals or Conservatives that passed the Civil Rights Act
3. Was it Liberals or Conservatives that passed the Voting Rights Act





The other member asked a legitimate question.
I know the answer. I don't need Google. Feel free to join or sit out of the discussion.

It's a legitimate question in the sense that it has all the parts of speech that a question is supposed to have. Doesn't mean it's a smart question. If he can't figure out how there can be two questions in one thread, then...



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Do you know your history? Slavery ended when? We had a Civil War to end it! Emancipation Proclamation?The Civil Rights Act & the Voting Rights Act came a century later.
I do. And so do you. So if you can't figure out how to understand two separate questions about time periods that are a century apart, I don't have anything for you.

I don't care to deal w/ people that want to play willfully obtuse.
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:40 PM
 
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Let's be very clear modern day conservatives have nothing to do with American history going back much past FDR.

Modern day conservatism is mostly a backlash movement that was formed to be in opposition to all the dramatic changes that have happened in this nation since FDR.


This is why conservatives are mostly anti- this or that. Modern American conservatism is the defined by who it perceives as its enemies and who it is against.

Whereas generally speaking the Democratic party tries to serve all interests or at least represents itself as being interested in serving all interests, the conservative party makes definite choices.

It says screw unions,screw those interested in poverty, screw those interested in racial inequality, screw those interested in gender discrimination, screw those who are interested in immigrants, homosexual rights, the environment, etc and so on.

The conservative party says we are only going to represent these very narrow interests which we conservatives define as American interests and if you aren't on board with that then you are our enemy and you are out to destroy America.
That is the bottom line. To compare the current Republican Party to the Republican Party of days gone by is ridiculous. The party has been hijacked and has morphed into an entity that is unrecognizable.

In rare interview, Bob Dole laments current-day GOP - Video on NBCNews.com


I find it very amusing when posters start threads such as this one. Let's call a lizard a horse and expect people to believe that it posesses the same characteristics.
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:41 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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Liberal = Democrat.

Conservative = Republican.

Do you deny that also?
splitting hairs harrier?

blue dog Dem·o·crat
nouninformal
1.
in the US, a Democrat from a southern state who has a conservative voting record.
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Liberal = Democrat.

Conservative = Republican.

Do you deny that also?
So the Republicans of the 1860s were... Conservatives?

The Democrats of the Reconstruction era were... Liberals?
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:43 PM
 
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I know the answer. I don't need Google. Feel free to join or sit out of the discussion.

It's a legitimate question in the sense that it has all the parts of speech that a question is supposed to have. Doesn't mean it's a smart question. If he can't figure out how there can be two questions in one thread, then...





I do. And so do you. So if you can't figure out how to understand two separate questions about time periods that are a century apart, I don't have anything for you.

I don't care to deal w/ people that want to play willfully obtuse.
So, basically, this is a fishing expedition.
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