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Old 08-15-2013, 09:36 PM
 
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Indeed. It's comparing a 2nd Amendment right to a... well... nothing actually.

But I digressed by responding to a poster's off topic tangent. Back on topic...
Um, where is the 2nd Amendment issue?

And it's comparing discrimination against a person based upon the ownership of a thing to discrimination against a person based upon an innate, biological characteristic. That's the apples to Cadillacs failed analogy.

 
Old 08-15-2013, 09:40 PM
 
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They're the same issue, actually,
Not at all. Sexual preference is not a race despite you desperately wanting it to be one. The homosexual was never considered property, sold as slaves, made to sit in the back of a bus, or drink from a separate water fountain.

This is yet another incidence of homosexual bullying to force the business to go against their core religious belief just because they say so. There are plenty of other bakeries for these disgruntled malcontents to go to. Why insist on bullying a business who clearly wants nothing to do with you when there are plenty of other establishments available?
 
Old 08-15-2013, 09:51 PM
 
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Not at all. Sexual preference is not a race despite you desperately wanting it to be one. The homosexual was never considered property, sold as slaves, made to sit in the back of a bus, or drink from a separate water fountain.

This is yet another incidence of homosexual bullying to force the business to go against their core religious belief just because they say so. There are plenty of other bakeries for these disgruntled malcontents to go to. Why insist on bullying a business who clearly wants nothing to do with you when there are plenty of other establishments available?
Indeed. At the end of the day, even if the abominations tantrum their way, these miscreants will still be reprobate and persona non grata.

Morality is not magically equivalent to legislation or case law. That's a huge fallacy of Liberalism -- Liberals believe otherwise.
 
Old 08-15-2013, 09:56 PM
 
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Not at all. Sexual preference is not a race despite you desperately wanting it to be one.
But they are both innate, biological characteristics. Biological sex is not race, yet we treat them the same when it comes to anti-discrimination laws. National origin is not race, yet we treat them the same when it comes to anti-discrimination laws. Religion is not race, yet we treat them the same when it comes to anti-discrimination laws (despite religion being a 100% choice and not an innate characteristic).
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The homosexual was never considered property, sold as slaves, made to sit in the back of a bus, or drink from a separate water fountain.
True. During the slavery period in this country, the homosexual was not considered property - he instead was considered criminal and subject to arrest and execution (and the US most certainly did execute people for being gay - the last state to do so being California).

During the Jim Crow days we no longer faced execution, we simply faced the potential of being sent to prison for a term as long as a life sentence or alternatively being involuntary committed to a mental institution where we were routinely castrated and lobotomized.

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This is yet another incidence of homosexual bullying to force the business to go against their core religious belief just because they say so.
Baking a cake to sell for profit is in no way whatsoever a religious act; it's a commercial act.
 
Old 08-15-2013, 10:00 PM
 
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So if I walked into a gay bakery with my chic fil a shirt, or my Adam and Eve (not Steve) shirt, would they be forced to serve me? If not, could I sue?
 
Old 08-15-2013, 10:04 PM
 
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So if I walked into a gay bakery with my chic fil a shirt, or my Adam and Eve (not Steve) shirt, would they be forced to serve me? If not, could I sue?
It would depend why they refused to serve you.

If they said we are not serving you because you are a man or because you're white, then they cannot legally deny you service. They can, however, deny you service because of your speech.
 
Old 08-15-2013, 10:06 PM
 
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It would depend why they refused to serve you.

If they said we are not serving you because you are a man or because you're white, then they cannot legally deny you service. They can, however, deny you service because of your speech.
Absolutely.

And the mere fact that the question was even posed indicates the poster doesn't have a clue about what they're talking about.
 
Old 08-15-2013, 10:09 PM
 
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Baking a cake to sell for profit is in no way whatsoever a religious act; it's a commercial act.
Yet in doing so in this particular circumstance violates the bakery owner's right to freedom of his religious beliefs. What is most perplexing about this cake issue is why on earth would these lesbians, or anybody for that matter, want a food product prepared for them by someone that clearly does not want their business? Would they really have no concern at all that the food may have been surreptitiously tampered with or otherwise contaminated?
 
Old 08-15-2013, 10:12 PM
 
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Yet in doing so violates the bakery owner's right to freedom of his religious beliefs.
This argument has never made any sense to me. It holds no water. Selling a thing is not religious. Selling things is commerce.
 
Old 08-15-2013, 10:12 PM
 
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But they are both innate, biological characteristics. Biological sex is not race, yet we treat them the same when it comes to anti-discrimination laws. National origin is not race, yet we treat them the same when it comes to anti-discrimination laws. Religion is not race, yet we treat them the same when it comes to anti-discrimination laws (despite religion being a 100% choice and not an innate characteristic).


True. During the slavery period in this country, the homosexual was not considered property - he instead was considered criminal and subject to arrest and execution (and the US most certainly did execute people for being gay - the last state to do so being California).

During the Jim Crow days we no longer faced execution, we simply faced the potential of being sent to prison for a term as long as a life sentence or alternatively being involuntary committed to a mental institution where we were routinely castrated and lobotomized.



Baking a cake to sell for profit is in no way whatsoever a religious act; it's a commercial act.
The SCOTUS has not deemed homosexuals a protected class. It is simply not deemed immutable, as is race and gender.
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