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Old 08-16-2013, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Progressive is regressive? Special interests bribe both the right and the left. If Levin says otherwise he's a lier. Does he imply that special interest that bribe conservatives to impose legislation that may conserve something that should be changed---but that is ok?
This. Levin sounds like just another partisan hack babbling about the other side and ignoring that his side is half of the problem.
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Old 08-16-2013, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Mark Levin's "Liberty Amendments" | Human Events

The bestselling book on Amazon currently is Liberty Amendments which details what needs to be done to reverse the current course of government by special interests.
Do you think there is a coming national debate concerning reversal of progressive policies and to return the country to the principals outlined and intended by the forefathers and the Constitution?
Hard to discuss this in a real and meaningful way when the author and most republicans have a romantic view of the founding fathers on small government that just wasn't true. From the first day Washington took office, executive power has grown. The legislature and judicial system allowed it to grow. It grew all the way to Lincoln, who seized so much power from the states that we have been irreversibly changed since then.

Jefferson, the original, "Small government conservative", complete with his own sex scandal even abused Presidential power by signing a treaty with Napoleon when Congress hadn't ratified it.

So spare me on the "we should follow exactly what the constitution says, because the founding fathers said so", because they didn't.

If the Republican party wants to start doing things like the founding fathers, the first thing they should do is close every base, and bring home every soldier that are outside of the geographic borders of these United States. Washington, Jefferson, and even Hamilton would all be rolling in their grave at our level of world military policing.
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:07 PM
 
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Hard to discuss this in a real and meaningful way when the author and most republicans have a romantic view of the founding fathers on small government that just wasn't true. From the first day Washington took office, executive power has grown. The legislature and judicial system allowed it to grow. It grew all the way to Lincoln, who seized so much power from the states that we have been irreversibly changed since then.

Jefferson, the original, "Small government conservative", complete with his own sex scandal even abused Presidential power by signing a treaty with Napoleon when Congress hadn't ratified it.

So spare me on the "we should follow exactly what the constitution says, because the founding fathers said so", because they didn't.

If the Republican party wants to start doing things like the founding fathers, the first thing they should do is close every base, and bring home every soldier that are outside of the geographic borders of these United States. Washington, Jefferson, and even Hamilton would all be rolling in their grave at our level of world military policing.
I'm sure many conservatives would be happy if we restored the original ideals of:
- Only white male landowners may vote.
- Negros count as 3/5 of a person for representation.
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:28 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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In other words ...

Levin hates the US Constitution so much, that he wants to alter it radically so that it conforms to his extremist right-wing ultra-conservative political ideology.

It's not gonna happen.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

He'll sell some books and make a few bucks ... that's the bottom line.
You really don't have a clue what the man is saying. He is saying the country has strayed from the original intent of the Constitution and bill of rights and now because of the legal speak of lawyers, we need to amend the Constitution to clarify the original intent.
The country is on a unsustainable course. The entire country is in fact Detroit. People are tired of special interests stealing everything the productive class produces.
There is change coming, and the progressives are not going to like facing it when it does.
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:38 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Hard to discuss this in a real and meaningful way when the author and most republicans have a romantic view of the founding fathers on small government that just wasn't true. From the first day Washington took office, executive power has grown. The legislature and judicial system allowed it to grow. It grew all the way to Lincoln, who seized so much power from the states that we have been irreversibly changed since then.

Jefferson, the original, "Small government conservative", complete with his own sex scandal even abused Presidential power by signing a treaty with Napoleon when Congress hadn't ratified it.

So spare me on the "we should follow exactly what the constitution says, because the founding fathers said so", because they didn't.

If the Republican party wants to start doing things like the founding fathers, the first thing they should do is close every base, and bring home every soldier that are outside of the geographic borders of these United States. Washington, Jefferson, and even Hamilton would all be rolling in their grave at our level of world military policing.
The Republicans are every bit as responsible for the plight we find ourselves in as the Democrats and they both fit nicely under the progressive umbrella.
And yes all men in power abuse their power and thus makes the need for reset that much more Crucial. What was once created to benefit the people, now only benefits the special interests.
What was once designed to create prosperity creates now debt and deterioration.
If now is not the time for change, then when, after the debts have reduced every man to poverty?
When the police state dictates every movement and aspect of your life? By then it is too late.
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The Republicans are every bit as responsible for the plight we find ourselves in as the Democrats and they both fit nicely under the progressive umbrella.
And yes all men in power abuse their power and thus makes the need for reset that much more Crucial. What was once created to benefit the people, now only benefits the special interests.
What was once designed to create prosperity creates now debt and deterioration.
If now is not the time for change, then when, after the debts have reduced every man to poverty?
When the police state dictates every movement and aspect of your life? By then it is too late.
But you aren't wanting to reset to what we had in 1787. That would be to ignore the entire history of the country. Thats the point, there is no direction, because you aren't saying what you want. You want to go to a time that didn't ever exist. I love my country, and its been a long and bumpy road, but I think we're a hell of a lot better off today then we were in the 1960's.

Do you think raging politics is new?

ugust 16, 1841 - President Tyler vetoes the bill establishing the Second Bank of the United States, causing an angry riot among Whig party members on White House grounds. It was the most violent demonstration on those grounds in U.S. history.

Learn some history, its amazing where we've come from. And we'll get through this divisive era.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:06 PM
 
Location: texas
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You really don't have a clue what the man is saying. He is saying the country has strayed from the original intent of the Constitution and bill of rights and now because of the legal speak of lawyers, we need to amend the Constitution to clarify the original intent.
The country is on a unsustainable course. The entire country is in fact Detroit. People are tired of special interests stealing everything the productive class produces.
There is change coming, and the progressives are not going to like facing it when it does.
Lets see what his understanding of the Constitution is-

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Another Liberty Amendment likewise reins in the judicial branch, setting term limits for Supreme Court justices, and giving Congress the power to override Supreme Court opinions with a three-fifths vote, without risk of presidential veto. Three-fifths of the state legislatures can also join forces to knock down a Court decision.
The last statement speaks to all three points. 3/5 of the states legislatures can join forces now to knock down a SC court decision. All it takes is a 3/5 of states legislatures pass a constitutional amendment. So if it is already posible for 3/5ths to change the constitution on Judicial terms, there is no need for a 3/5ths congressional vote on any constituttional issue.

Dont need to re-invent the constitution.
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Old 08-16-2013, 03:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Lets see what his understanding of the Constitution is-



The last statement speaks to all three points. 3/5 of the states legislatures can join forces now to knock down a SC court decision. All it takes is a 3/5 of states legislatures pass a constitutional amendment. So if it is already posible for 3/5ths to change the constitution on Judicial terms, there is no need for a 3/5ths congressional vote on any constituttional issue.

Dont need to re-invent the constitution.
What part of STATE legislatures do you not understand?
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Old 08-16-2013, 03:55 PM
 
Location: AL
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This. Levin sounds like just another partisan hack babbling about the other side and ignoring that his side is half of the problem.
My guess is you are clueless about Mark Levin...
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Old 08-16-2013, 04:28 PM
 
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After wading through the normal right-wing BS about vactions and such and finally seeing some of what he wants to change the answer is NO, we will no,t nor will the government, be changing or even debating the ideas that he proposes, some are very drastic and would change the way our Republic works and that ain't gonna happen.
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In other words ...

Levin hates the US Constitution so much, that he wants to alter it radically so that it conforms to his extremist right-wing ultra-conservative political ideology.

It's not gonna happen.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

He'll sell some books and make a few bucks ... that's the bottom line.
you guys are clueless about levin. perhaps you should spend some time actually listening to his program instead of what media matters and other liberal publications say about him.

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Hard to discuss this in a real and meaningful way when the author and most republicans have a romantic view of the founding fathers on small government that just wasn't true. From the first day Washington took office, executive power has grown. The legislature and judicial system allowed it to grow. It grew all the way to Lincoln, who seized so much power from the states that we have been irreversibly changed since then.
all true, but the real gain in power was the addition of the 17th amendment that changed the way senators were put into office.

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Jefferson, the original, "Small government conservative", complete with his own sex scandal even abused Presidential power by signing a treaty with Napoleon when Congress hadn't ratified it.
a president can sign all the treaties he wants, however they dont go into effect until the senate ratifies them. in fact the treaty should be signed BEFORE it goes to the senate.

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So spare me on the "we should follow exactly what the constitution says, because the founding fathers said so", because they didn't.
actually they did follow far closer than we do today. remember that they were at the beginning of establishing a government. if they were in office today and doing the things that our current crop of elected officials are doing, then i would say you have a case. even they knew that a government needed to properly oversee and properly regulate the country.

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If the Republican party wants to start doing things like the founding fathers, the first thing they should do is close every base, and bring home every soldier that are outside of the geographic borders of these United States. Washington, Jefferson, and even Hamilton would all be rolling in their grave at our level of world military policing.
you do realize that the vast majority of our bases are there because of treaties right?

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I'm sure many conservatives would be happy if we restored the original ideals of:
- Only white male landowners may vote.
- Negros count as 3/5 of a person for representation.
rubbish.
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