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Old 08-17-2013, 04:47 PM
 
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I wish I would have created a poll with thread. I'm sure most reasonable people would agree he definitely is in the top three at the very least.
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Old 08-17-2013, 04:50 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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I wish I would have created a poll with thread. I'm sure most reasonable people would agree he definitely is in the top three at the very least.
Doubtful.
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:01 PM
 
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I see what you are getting at with the Fast and Furious Bush connection, but do not characterize the Bush Administrations part in fnf as you do.. I do not think Bush did not do the country any good. However, to say the Bush administration initiated Fast and Furious is inaccurate. The scheme for fnf was developed under the Bush administration, but never given the go ahead. There is a big difference between seriously considering a plan, but not acting upon it, and actually acting on a plan and then not managing it well. As indeed occurred under Mr Obama's watch.

Can't disagree with anything else you have said.
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To be honest and purely objective, the Fast and furious fiasco was initiated under the Bush admin and obviously lacked proper oversight with the new administration under Holder. Very unfortunate and a real black eye for the Admin.

I also believe that the Administration has silently given up on the Syrian rebels for two reasons. Too many bad actors among the rebels and they are infested with Al Quaeda. Also the fact that Iranian backed Hezbollah has entered the fight against the rebels and Hezbollah are not just some shopkeeper that picked up an AK47. These guys are very professional and beating the crap out of the Syrian rebels. The fight in Syria has turned into a Sunni/Shiite conflict as the rebels are Sunni and the Government is Alawite but supported by Shiite Iran.
It is best we slowly back out of the Syrian conflict for the best interests of our country but we can't do it publicly because the Saudi'a are funding the Sunni Rebels there and the Saudi are our allies. There are very few arms actually going to the rebels that actually come from America. Most come from Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
What a stinking mess.
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:07 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Surely, you jest.
I was pretty sure this had to be a joke. How could anyone ask such a stupid question?

He's a lot worse than Carter. What does that tell you?
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:10 PM
 
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wait 20 years. his whole legacy is intertwined with his health care bill.

if it succeeds, he will be in the top 10.
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Florida
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He is not the best, but if you judge him by the same standards like all other presidents, which is by getting things done which he set out to do, then he is doing ok so far. Whether or not people agree with the things he set out to do is an entirely different matter. That is a matter of personal opinion, and does not make Obama any more or less successful. It is funny people call him the worst president only because they do not agree with his goals.
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:55 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Obama - best president of all time?




This should be moved to the Comedy section. LMAO. Is this a joke or what? If it wasn't for Carter, Obama would be the worst President of all time.
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Old 08-17-2013, 06:10 PM
 
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No. I see little difference between Obama and mad dog Bush the younger.
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Old 08-17-2013, 06:28 PM
 
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You mentioned he is at a loss when it comes to Egypt. How So? Can you please elaborate on what he should have done and what he should do now?
If the President had a clear message, you wouldnt have to ask such questions.
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Old 08-17-2013, 06:40 PM
 
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wait 20 years. his whole legacy is intertwined with his health care bill.

if it succeeds, he will be in the top 10.


Since it is raising the costs even now how do you think it has the remote chance (and it's surely not going to decrease in its cost)?
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