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In a perfect world where there is also stewardship for the planet and greed is not neccesary and looked upon as the vice that it is and not diguised as free market Capitalism. Religious fanatics do not get that this would be the closest thing to being "God-like" that they can ever hope to achieve.
So you want to take away Pelosi's hard earned money? She's a Catholic you know. Maybe we should give her back all the money she has given to the church. Do you have that figure handy?
'A world where we are all equal and greed is not necessary' - to each according to their need? No winners, no losers? How would you go about the distribution of wealth from Gates, Clintons, Barack, Soros - are they greedy? How about the banks, shall we shut the doors and distribute the money and gold back to the people?
Get down n dirty, how are you going to do this? Who gets to run the socialist utopia? Or is there no leader, majority rule?
think
It is clear that this person has no intention of being reasonable or playing fair. Seriously, atheist commandments? I'm sorry, but those exist only in your mind, my friend.
The only document we have that even comes close to such a thing is this: Humanist Manifesto III
Now read through all of that and tell me, what is so bad about it?
It is clear that this person has no intention of being reasonable or playing fair. Seriously, atheist commandments? I'm sorry, but those exist only in your mind, my friend.
The only document we have that even comes close to such a thing is this: Humanist Manifesto III
Now read through all of that and tell me, what is so bad about it?
Perhaps if you read the article and supporting links you would see the point the author was trying to make. I guess atheists are too smart to read what others write yet still think they are still qualified to comment on the writing.
Hi, KUchief25...I read the articles...more than once...I can only say that it's very obvious that Patrick Fagan is a beliver in God....Sean Thomas is just basically giving us HIS take, I'd say he is also a believer in God...I'm not sure about the "vast body of research" he alludes to, I'd be interested to see it...I think that for anyone to say "lets see who's living intelligently", ...and then to say that atheists don't add up, that they divorce more often...are angrier people..is flat out self righteous judgemental bulls**t...I don't think any atheist, or christian, or anyone else who has a good head on their shoulders would be so condemning towards others who think differently than they do...especially about religion.
yes, he believes it will all work out in due time. Believes! Assuming facts not in evidence.
Or you could call it a reasonable extrapolation based on currently available information. We know the vast majority of humans have a built-in sense of empathy. People are not born wanting to hate and harm and degrade others. They are taught how to be that way. If we can remove this unfortunate aspect from our children's education and upbringing and enhance our minds to the point where we can directly communicate our thoughts, feelings, ideas, beliefs and mental concepts directly to other people, I see no reason why it should not work out.
You could even say I have... faith in humanity's ability to work together and overcome.
I am going to let you in on a little secret. Are you ready? You may not believe it, but I love humanity. I love my species. I think we are the most astounding thing this planet will ever produce. We can be so brilliant when we put our minds to it. If we only worked together, we could achieve so much. I don't believe the vast majority of humanity has any kind of inherent evil. I believe that the human brain is so complex and sensitive to the conditions in which it develops that it can become easily twisted and maladaptive, but this is not and does not have to be an inevitability. If we are educated in a way and raised in a manner that promotes, encourages, and brings out the best in us, we can be incredibly noble indeed.
The very real possibility that we might not make it brings me great sadness. What a shame it would be to lose something that had such unlimited potential.
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So you want to take away Pelosi's hard earned money? She's a Catholic you know. Maybe we should give her back all the money she has given to the church. Do you have that figure handy?
'A world where we are all equal and greed is not necessary' - to each according to their need? No winners, no losers? How would you go about the distribution of wealth from Gates, Clintons, Barack, Soros - are they greedy? How about the banks, shall we shut the doors and distribute the money and gold back to the people?
Get down n dirty, how are you going to do this? Who gets to run the socialist utopia? Or is there no leader, majority rule?
think
Your so defensive of the concept of greed and you call yourself religious and have the audacity to preach to to others? I see that you do not mention any republicans in your rant, so clearly you are making this political and biased and you ARE hijacking a thread.
You are disingenuous when you speak of others living in the third dimension as you clearly have shown that you have zero mind expansion capabilities and are one dimensional in your views. If you had bothered to read the post on Humanism, maybe it would be easier for you to comprehend the concept...but I am betting that one dimensional you...will not.
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You're not very clear with your language, are you?
Yet you're complaining about the unfavorable public image christians and other religious have.
Yeah, I've dealt with mean-spirited christian jerks for decades... how's it feel?
Nope, delusion of invisible sky daddy belief is simply delusion.
So what you're saying is because you had to deal with Christian jerks, your attitude is justified? Can you not be the bigger person? I've been more than civil with you, despite your constant barrage of insults and condescension. I want a place where we can debate respectfully without the childish name calling and insult tossing that is so common in threads like this. We have to start somewhere.
Well, this atheist doesn't insult religious people or "spit in the face" of anyone ... and I can't remember the last time any atheist on this thread started a thread whose sole purpose was to insult religious people. In other words, we go about our lives every day, minding our business, volunteering, donating to charity and adopting homeless animals. We say "please" and "thank you," and hold the door for the elderly or infirm. We smile at the post office clerk. We let people with crying children or fewer items in their basket go ahead of us at the supermarket.
You would never know by our behavior that we're atheists -- in fact, you almost certainly assume we are not, because you believe that only religious people are "good" and atheists are "bad." Until, of course, we're called out and insulted on a thread like this deliberately.
So let's think ... WHO exactly is the better person here?
Why do you put words in my mouth? Nothing I have said or done has implied that I hate my country, or that I have ever tried to get non-malignant Christians to shut up. It is obvious to me that you have an extreme persecution complex. Always looking for the enemy "other", am I right? I am not sure what you mean about passing laws forcing people to accept my "behavior". Care to tell me what behaviors you are referring to, and why they would even be unlawful in the first place? Nothing I do in my daily life is unacceptable; there is no reason to pass any such laws in the first place.
I do not "allow" people to choose freely, without coercion. I believe that they have the right to do so regardless of how I feel. And so do I, and so does every atheist out there. I won't even get into the stupid comment about communism, only to say that it is an economic system where the means of production are communally owned. It has nothing to do with anything I have said in this entire thread. Seriously, are you stuck in the McCarthy era or something?
You can read whatever you wish into my posts, but if you're going to quote or reply to them, I expect you to not be so disingenuous, are we clear?
You absolutely are right. Buys into every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike.
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