Newborn babies obtaining citizenship when born in the U.S. despite neither of parents are citizens!!! (claim, permit)

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Yes. I'm asking you to answer the question... From whom are the funds confiscated, and why?

Afraid to answer, are you, because you know it'll sink your house-of-cards bogus position on this?

Oh, sure, I'll answer. They impose costs and penalties on banks conducting business on American soil.

Why don't you answer my question, what do they do when the bank they want to collect costs and penalties from is the Ledbetter bank in Thamesbury which doesn't conduct any business on American soil.

Afraid to answer, are you, because you know it'll sink your house-of-cards bogus position on this?

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

The IRS can't get you or your money until you land back in the US or open a US bank account.

They cannot take it from the bank if the bank does international transactions.
They can only get the banks to report to them.

False.

"To enforce compliance, a 30% withholding tax will be imposed on certain payments made to FFIs and NFFEs that fail to make the required disclosures"
http://www.citigroup.com/transaction...ining_Deck.pdf

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

False.

"To enforce compliance, a 30% withholding tax will be imposed on certain payments made to FFIs and NFFEs that fail to make the required disclosures"
http://www.citigroup.com/transaction...ining_Deck.pdf

That's a penalty on the bank, not your money.
They can't get your money until you are on US soil or your money is in a US bank account.
And the penalty to foreign banks is the reason they are now turning away expats who want to open accounts.
The foreign banks don't want to do the paperwork and if they don't they have to pay a fine to the US IRS and if they don't pay a fine then they can be prohibited from participating in SWIFT transactions.

You didn't prove anything with that because your money is still in your account and hasn't been touched.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

I know. I'm confused too. You seem to be the only one not confused. Why won't you alleviate our confusion by posting a link to your source of what "permanent domicile"

Attus Black already defined the U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark-era legal definition of "permanent domicile," here:

Originally Posted by Attus Black

Permit me.....from the WKA in Grays opinion

Because they are permitted by the US to reside here they have established a permanent domicile and residence.

Permanent domicile can currently be proven by possessing one of these, available since the late 1940's, early 1950's:
USCIS - Green Card

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Attus Black already defined the U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark-era legal definition of "permanent domicile," here:
Permanent domicile can currently be proven by possessing one of these, available since the late 1940's, early 1950's:
USCIS - Green Card

I'm still confused. Isn't someone who has a visa "permitted to stay here"? Anyone who is legally on US soil, tourist, student, is "permitted to stay here", aren't they?

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

Oh, sure, I'll answer. They impose costs and penalties on banks conducting business on American soil.

Why? Because the U.S. has WORLDWIDE jurisdiction over the federal taxable events of U.S. citizens wherever in the world they reside.

So says the IRS:
"the IRS Office of Assistant Commissioner (International) has primary jurisdiction for overseas taxpayers."
http://www.treasury.gov/press-center...nts/tax598.pdf

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

That's a penalty on the bank, not your money.

How is that penalty even possible if whatever failure to comply with FATCA didn't occur on U.S. soil?

Because the U.S. has WORLDWIDE jurisdiction over the federal taxable events of U.S. citizens wherever in the world they reside.

So says the IRS:
"the IRS Office of Assistant Commissioner (International) has primary jurisdiction for overseas taxpayers."
http://www.treasury.gov/press-center...nts/tax598.pdf

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

I'm still confused. Isn't someone who has a visa "permitted to stay here"? Anyone who is legally on US soil, tourist, student, is "permitted to stay here", aren't they?

TEMPORARILY, with a noted expiration date, yes.

To wit, Obama's father's signed and submitted 1961 "APPLICATION TO EXTEND TEMPORARY STAY" listing his current permission to be in the U.S. set to expire on August 9, 1961:



"Temporary" does not equal "permanent."

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Why? Because the U.S. has WORLDWIDE jurisdiction over the federal taxable events of U.S. citizens wherever in the world they reside.

So says the IRS:
"the IRS Office of Assistant Commissioner (International) has primary jurisdiction for overseas taxpayers."
http://www.treasury.gov/press-center...nts/tax598.pdf

Jurisdiction isn't just about passing laws. It's about enforcing those laws. When the IRS is knocking on the door of an American citizen in Bolivia who hasn't paid their taxes, and when they arrest that person on Bolivian soil, and put that person on trial in Bolivia, and throw them into a Bolivian jail, then you can show jurisdiction. So far, you can't.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

Jurisdiction isn't just about passing laws. It's about enforcing those laws.

Exactly.

"To enforce compliance, a 30% withholding tax will be imposed on certain payments made to FFIs and NFFEs that fail to make the required disclosures"
http://www.citigroup.com/transaction...ining_Deck.pdf

Why is that withholding even possible when whatever failure to comply with FATCA didn't occur on U.S. soil?

Because the U.S. has WORLDWIDE jurisdiction over the federal taxable events of U.S. citizens wherever in the world they reside.

So says the IRS:
"the IRS Office of Assistant Commissioner (International) has primary jurisdiction for overseas taxpayers."
http://www.treasury.gov/press-center...nts/tax598.pdf