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Old 08-22-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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Regardless of WHERE in the world one lives, no?

Thank you for confirming jus sanguinis natural born citizenship!

Illegal aliens' children DONT have it.
Neither does "born a Brit" Obama.
How does saying that American citizens have to pay federal income tax confirm jus sanguinis? Please explain.
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Regardless of WHERE in the world one lives, no?

Thank you for confirming jus sanguinis natural born citizenship!

Illegal aliens' children DONT have it.
Neither does "born a Brit" Obama.
It does not.

The US decided they were going to tax based on citizenship, not residency or source of income.
The US taxes on GLOBAL income based on your US citizenship.
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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It does not.

The US decided they were going to tax based on citizenship, not residency or source of income.
The US taxes on GLOBAL income based on your US citizenship.
Not entirely true, as non-citizens (even in some cases, "non-residents") also can pay U.S. taxes based on income...
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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Not entirely true, as non-citizens (even in some cases, "non-residents") also can pay U.S. taxes based on income...
The American government is greedy.
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Not entirely true, as non-citizens (even in some cases, "non-residents") also can pay U.S. taxes based on income...
Well we are talking about citizens in this thread are we not ?

US citizens are taxed on their global income no matter where they live or where they earn that money.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:00 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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How does saying that American citizens have to pay federal income tax confirm jus sanguinis? Please explain.
It proves a or any country's WORLDWIDE jurisdiction.

In the case of the U.S., it's U.S. citizens' and LPR's obligation to pay all applicable federal income tax to the U.S. no matter where they reside in the world and no matter the source of the income.

For other countries, e.g. the U.K., it's the automatic nationality jus sanguinis laws that apply to their citizens' offspring no matter where in the world they are born. WORLDWIDE jurisdiction; NOT the complete jurisdiction of the U.S. as the drafters of the 14th Amendment intended when they wrote the "subject to the jurisdiction" 14th Amendment clause.

Senator Trumbull: "The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."
A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875

Trumbull's role regarding the 14th Amendment:
Committee History
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:01 PM
 
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It does not.

The US decided they were going to tax based on citizenship, not residency or source of income.
The US taxes on GLOBAL income based on your US citizenship.
Exactly. WORLDWIDE jurisdiction.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:08 PM
 
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Look at IC's duck and dodge. Yup. Can't understand basic english

Still waiting on a credible source for the legal definition of Permanent Domicile (over 8000 posts in birther threads and she has yet to provide support or definition of this term)

and

she still doesn't understand that OUR LAW (enforcement) end at our borders. That a US Citizens obligation still remains, when that US Citizen returns to the US. A US citizen can live in German for 30 years, earn a living, but as a citizen, his duty is to pay tax on that earnings. He can pay not a single cent in that 30 years to the IRS, but once he opens a bank account on US SOIL or steps back on US Soil, the IRS can assert their JURISDICTION over that citizen (because he is in the US).

What is so hard to understand about this basic concept?
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:17 PM
 
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Look at IC's duck and dodge. Yup. Can't understand basic English
I understand English just fine.

I know for a fact that the drafter of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the 14th Amendment had this to say about the 14th Amendment's "subject to the jurisdiction" clause:

Senator Trumbull: "The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."
A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875

Trumbull's role regarding the 14th Amendment:
Committee History

Which part of those English language statements did you not understand?

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Still waiting on a credible source for the legal definition of Permanent Domicile
That's supposed to come from you. You're the one who has "domicile" confused with "permanent domicile." Cite the legal definition of "permanent domicile" and post the source.

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That a US Citizens obligation still remains, when that US Citizen returns to the US.
That would be a LEGAL obligation, due to WORLDWIDE jurisdiction. Just like automatic jus sanguinis laws LEGALLY operate no matter where in the world offspring who are subject to such a LAW are born, due to WORLDWIDE jurisdiction. .
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Exactly. WORLDWIDE jurisdiction.
And when US citizens hand back in their passports they no longer owe the US IRS for income not earned in the US.

And the same is pulled on corporations.
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