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thats exactly my point. but the pagan god in the white house that the sheep in this country follow seems to think that the government is responsible for everyone's personal well being.
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The government would not create jobs with the Swiss plans.
And the best ones to create jobs are small and medium businesses, not corporations.
again....it's not the governments job to make sure have a living and not to make sure everyone has the same exact living standards. Thats up to the individual.
no kidding everyone is different. But we are not a socialist nation. Socialism is only works until you run out of other peoples money.
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But in many countries governments are failing to do so. Oftentimes equal opportunity exists only on paper, or not even there. Plus, people are not all the same, not all are equally capable, intelligent, ambitious, etc., which becomes more and more of a problem as the world gets more and more complex and demanding.
And since governments are responsible for ensuring social peace, they sooner or later have to step in. They can't afford to allow the formation of an underclass of losers...
again....it's not the governments job to make sure have a living and not to make sure everyone has the same exact living standards. Thats up to the individual.
no kidding everyone is different. But we are not a socialist nation. Socialism is only works until you run out of other peoples money.
How would a basic income result in everyone having the same exact living standards? Do you really think the filthy rich Swiss would cease to be filthy rich and live accordingly?
Sorry, you are unrealistic, $160k a year is a lot of money to any normal person
False. It's only two $80,000 annual salaries per household.
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Your diagram does not say why tax collections declined, which demographic the decline was based on, etc.
There was no 25% decline in U.S. demographics.
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Judging from the time axis I assume it was because of the financial crisis.
Of course it was, but as noted, the peak to trough reduction was only a little over 5% while the tax revenue reduction was a full 25%.
Since a very small percentage of the U.S. population pays a very large percentage of the federal income tax revenue, any decline in income they experience produces an AMPLIFIED effect in the amount by which tax revenue declines.
It's basic math. Do you not understand it?
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No, I am all egalitarian, I want incomes to be spread as little as possible, i.e. higher incomes for the lower 80% of the pyramid and lower incomes for the upper 20%.
That can't happen in a progressive tax structure. The U.S. would lose too much tax revenue. Taxes must become MUCH more equalized in order for incomes to equalize. Cases in point:
How would a basic income result in everyone having the same exact living standards? Do you really think the filthy rich Swiss would cease to be filthy rich and live accordingly?
Of course not. Their country has a FAR less progressive tax structure:
By demographic I meant which class of society the decline in collected taxes came from.
Again, in the link I provided it says the rich are richer now than they were before the crisis. So, tax collections should be doing pretty well, unless the rich get away thanks to tax breaks, loopholes and tricks, of course.
The development of incomes is independent of the development of taxes, if anything the former determines the latter, not the other way round.
There are no socialist programs in Europe, no idea what you are talking about...
Of course not. Their country has a FAR less progressive tax structure:
Time to make that happen in the U.S.!
Because they have a much better, more egalitarian society than in the US to begin with. Just compare the Gini index for European countries to that of the US. Thus there is a strong middle class in Switzerland, Germany etc., thus it is no problem collecting more taxes from it.
80k per person is a lot, it is about twice the average per capita income.
Completely meaningless without the demographics of where such earners live and the corresponding cost of living in those areas.
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By demographic I meant which class of society the decline in collected taxes came from.
So your assertion is that the U.S. employment rate declined 25% among the top 53% of federal income tax filers? That's HIGHLY doubtful. Provide proof of that assertion.
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Again, in the link I provided it says the rich are richer now than they were before the crisis. So, tax collections should be doing pretty well, unless the rich get away thanks to tax breaks, loopholes and tricks, of course.
What "loopholes?" Are you unaware that tax deductions and credits phase out at higher income levels and that AMT rates apply?
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There are no socialist programs in Europe, no idea what you are talking about...
According to you, there are "filthy rich" in Switzerland.
Sure, there are some rich people, but again, compare the Gini index for Switzerland and other countries such as the US and you will see the different dimension:
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Do you really think the filthy rich Swiss would cease to be filthy rich and live accordingly?
