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ROFLMAO Yeah, the laws in NY and "surrounding states" are working soooo well that those in the areas are buying them on a black-market. Wonder if they are the law-abiding citizen who meekly obeys gun control laws or the criminal who never will? Gawd, you people never add 2 plus 2, do you? ...
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The logic is easy, criminals for the most part can't get guns from other states like the Carolinas with weak gun laws. Speaking of putting 2 and 2 together, did you miss that part where they came from outside NY City..
Hopefully they will prosecute the gun shops and gun owners that were complicit in this illegal trade to the maximum.
The logic is easy, criminals for the most part can't get guns from other states like the Carolinas with weak gun laws. Speaking of putting 2 and 2 together, did you miss that part where they came from outside NY City..
Did I miss it? No, not at all. In fact, did you miss that that is my central point? That gun control laws don't work because it creates a black-market that only (or at least mostly) the criminals will participate in? If they don't come in from other states? Then they will come in another way. Or at least be available and someone will make a killing (no pun intended) off of it.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever fired a gun in your life (not counting any time you might have served in the military)? Do you know what a simple piece of machinery it really is? Someone with rudimentary knowledge can make one in their garage machine shop. And they do and will.
Anyway, so you say they came from outside NY City? Then apparently someone in NY City wants guns, right? So your solution is to force other states to restrict the rights of their own citizens in order to plug the holes in what yours can't do.
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Hopefully they will prosecute the gun shops and gun owners that were complicit in this illegal trade to the maximum.
And I would agree on lots of levels. But here is the kicker. If there was not a market for the illegal guns in NY City? Then there would be no market for illegal gun trade across state lines. If gun control laws worked? Then there would be no market for them. How am I wrong on this?
So sad that the first thing that comes to mind with the anti-gun people is to blame the weapon used.
But anyway, what "gun culture"? What are you talking about? What exactly does that mean? No weasel words, but please explain the term in plain language and using real people to illustrate. Not a bunch of emotive gobble-dee-****.
These guns came all the way from the Carolinas, not or NJ, PA or CT that have relatively strict laws, seems like a logical solution would be to have stricter laws in some states.
Don't go sullying the fine state of PA's name by lumping them in with those states when talking about gun laws, especially NY and NJ. The gun laws in PA are fairly nonrestrictive and that's the way a majority of residents want it to stay.
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This means that gun laws in NY City and the surrounding states are working relatively well, not so much for some of the southern states.
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This is just to own the weapon. That fee is non refundable if you're denied for something like running a stop sign 10 years ago.
I can always count on Little Thing to make my point.
Guns for all! Even for criminals! Because guns don't kill people, people kill people! Oh, wait ... criminals are, um, people ...
1. Conservatives are not for breaking the law.
2. I can understand a sarcastic remark when I read one, and the point that was made is actually fairly accurate, the guns themselves weren't illegal, just the method of buying/selling.
3. It' too bad that the article looks like it was written by a child without a clue about the weapons, or their descriptions.
Last, what an epic fail. Guns for all would probably be the best thing that could happen. I remind people, yet again, Kennesaw Georgia. They passed a law requiring every head of household to be armed, (and yes there were exceptions). The papers crowed about gun town USA. and that there would be gunfights, and murders in the street, etc etc. What really happened was, one of the lowest violent crime rates in the U.S. Over 25 years murder free. Ranked one of the 10 best places to live. Rapid growth, more so that many other small towns.
Don't you understand, passing gun laws affects ONLY law abiding citizens, they do NOTHING to prevent a criminal from breaking the law.
Did I miss it? No, not at all. In fact, did you miss that that is my central point? That gun control laws don't work because it creates a black-market that only (or at least mostly) the criminals will participate in? If they don't come in from other states? Then they will come in another way. Or at least be available and someone will make a killing (no pun intended) off of it.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever fired a gun in your life (not counting any time you might have served in the military)? Do you know what a simple piece of machinery it really is? Someone with rudimentary knowledge can make one in their garage machine shop. And they do and will.
Anyway, so you say they came from outside NY City? Then apparently someone in NY City wants guns, right? So your solution is to force other states to restrict the rights of their own citizens in order to plug the holes in what yours can't do.
And I would agree on lots of levels. But here is the kicker. If there was not a market for the illegal guns in NY City? Then there would be no market for illegal gun trade across state lines. If gun control laws worked? Then there would be no market for them. How am I wrong on this?
There isn't a law on the books that doesn't create a black market for something, that doesn't mean we should do away with any law. The Carolinas should be worried about how easy it is to get guns for their own selfish reasons, there is something wrong with the oversight and enforcement in their states.
I have fired pretty many different types of guns inside and outside the military, that doesn't make me any more or less an expert than someone who never touched one. I have heard all the arguments about how easy it is to make one in the garage, that isn't even remotely close to being a problem.
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