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Old 08-20-2013, 09:53 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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The "free market" has CAUSED climate change. It won't solve it, it will worsen it, unless combatting it becomes profitable, THEN it can work towards a solution.

Solar, wind, geothermal and other opportunities exist, but we need GOVERNMENT to help lead the way and provide incentives to get off of fossil fuels that are killing this planet.
Where have you been? Global warming has completely been used to turn a profit for those pushing it. "Global warming" has nothing to do with climate and everything to do with control.

If you were so worried about getting off of fossil fuels you would be pushing nuclear power. Everything else (besides fossil fuel) is just a bandaid to the worlds energy needs. Solar/wind/geothermal will never be able to support the US, let alone the world.
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Back in the '70s scientists waxed hysterical on global cooling and the new coming ice age.
Back in the '90s scientists waxed hysterical on global warming and said all the ice was melting.
Since they got all that wrong, scientists are now waxing hysterical about climate change.

Why the hell should we believe the scientists?
Don't forget the medical field. Then doctors run with the trend.

Eggs are good for your heart.
Eggs cause high cholesterol.

Eggs will give you super-hearing.
Eggs will cause your eyes to fall out.

Eggs can cure AIDS.
Eggs will cause your brain to burst into flames.

Until science is void of money and politics I will be cautious, studious, and try to personally live in a responsible manner.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:01 PM
 
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Natalie, CO2 is a greenhouse gas, it's not a pollutant in the normal sense of the word unless you want to argue water is pollutant.
It's not just CO2. It's everything we put into the air not caring about the consequences for future generations. It's all pollutants that man has caused because it certainly isn't nature made. It probably won't affect my kids or grand kids but it will affect the generation after that.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:10 PM
 
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It's not just CO2. It's everything we put into the air not caring about the consequences for future generations. It's all pollutants that man has caused because it certainly isn't nature made. It probably won't affect my kids or grand kids but it will affect the generation after that.
Want to guess how much pollutants are put into the air during a volcanic eruption such as the one in Iceland in 2010?
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:16 PM
 
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Want to guess how much pollutants are put into the air during a volcanic eruption such as the one in Iceland in 2010?
How many volcano eruptions do we have versus man's everyday pollutants. And volcanoes are part of the earth, man is not.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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I don't care if even the worst predictions for climate change come through. I think the free market can come up with much better solutions for it then the government. I've seen way too many government solution have unintended consequences for me to trust them with anything not enumerated in the constitution.
Of course they can! Kind of like this....

Oil drilling has sparked a frenzied prosperity in Jeff Keller's formerly quiet corner of western North Dakota in recent years, bringing an infusion of jobs and reviving moribund local businesses.

But Keller, a natural resource manager for the Army Corps of Engineers, has seen a more ominous effect of the boom, too: Oil companies are spilling and dumping drilling waste onto the region's land and into its waterways with increasing regularity.
According to data obtained by ProPublica, oil companies in North Dakota reported more than 1,000 accidental releases of oil, drilling wastewater or other fluids in 2011, about as many as in the previous two years combined. Many more illicit releases went unreported, state regulators acknowledge, when companies dumped truckloads of toxic fluid along the road or drained waste pits illegally.

North Dakota’s Oil Boom Brings Damage Along With Prosperity - ProPublica
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:18 PM
 
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Where have you been? Global warming has completely been used to turn a profit for those pushing it..
Correct and the fossil fuel industry is going to look like paupers if these policies continue to go forward.


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Solar/wind/geothermal will never be able to support the US, let alone the world
I'd have to disagree about geothermal, I think that is the future as it can provide base power. Can't wait to hear the greenies losing their minds over massive drills boring miles into the earth.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:22 PM
 
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It's not just CO2. It's everything we put into the air not caring about the consequences for future generations. It's all pollutants that man has caused because it certainly isn't nature made. It probably won't affect my kids or grand kids but it will affect the generation after that.
If we're going to switch gears to real pollution, what is your perception or knowledge about the amount of increased pollution over the last few decades here in the US? If you had too put a number on it even if you're going to take a wild guess what percent do you think the most common air pollutants have increased since the 80's?
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:23 PM
 
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And volcanoes are part of the earth, man is not.
Really? Do you think you might want to rephrase that?
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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How many volcano eruptions do we have versus man's everyday pollutants. And volcanoes are part of the earth, man is not.
Man is not part of the earth...
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