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View Poll Results: Intelligent Design?
Yes, teach it along with Evolution 22 15.28%
No, teach only Evolution 121 84.03%
No, teach only Intelligent Design 1 0.69%
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:21 AM
 
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How so? The Intelligent Design museum in Tennessee shows humans riding on dinosaurs. Is there any scientific evidence of that?
You really must not grasp what Intelligent Design people believe. They don't dispute evolution theory...they just don't think it was random.

Again....I am an Atheist! I believe in evolution.

But I am only giving their side of the issue since it seems many people who rail against it don't really understand their point of view.



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Old 08-22-2013, 11:24 AM
 
Location: WA
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Just wanted to point out that the theory of evolution by natural selection is not the same as the big bang theory. The earth was around probably 1 billion years before life even happened.

In a Biology class, you start with primordial soup and go from there. How the soupy planet got there is not part of a Biology curriculum. Start with proteins, end with 200+ million species.
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:28 AM
 
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You really must not grasp what Intelligent Design people believe. They don't dispute evolution theory...they just don't think it was random.

Again....I am an Atheist! I believe in evolution.

But I am only giving their side of the issue since it seems many people who rail against it don't really understand their point of view.



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I grasp what Intelligent Design people believe. They believe that evolution was directed by God. They also believe a lot of other things that go along with that God. And when the science doesn't agree with those other things, they disregard the science. Hence, the humans riding on dinosaurs.

I respect a person's belief in God. But there is no scientific evidence that God exists. The claim that we are so complex there MUST have been a designer is not science.

Science belongs in the Science classroom.

Religion belongs in the Humanities classrooms.
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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You really must not grasp what Intelligent Design people believe. They don't dispute evolution theory...they just don't think it was random.

Again....I am an Atheist! I believe in evolution.

But I am only giving their side of the issue since it seems many people who rail against it don't really understand their point of view.



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They believe that the creation of all things transpired in six 24-hour days.

Most creation scientists believe that the earth is "young" (on the order of ten thousand years).

That's all I need to know when I contemplate Creationism being taught in public schools...
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:36 AM
 
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Still wouldn't be close to infinite. Your cells don't mutate they all have the same copy of DNA .
Perhaps (actually I know) I'm not the right person to explain the mathematical model presented in the program I watched.

But I will say that it definitely gave me pause to consider.

In a nutshell the best way I have the ability to explain is that they showed how if you accept evolution was a random thing of mutations causing changes, some beneficial and some not, and considering all the species that have ever existed on Earth, the numeric values don't add up.

There was either some type of shortcut evolution takes, or it wasn't actually random.

Hey....I love a mystery and found it all pretty thought provoking.

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Old 08-22-2013, 11:39 AM
 
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Maybe you should actually READ people's posts....it may help.

I'm an Atheist and have already said that I have faith that evolution is correct.

I was merely pointing out that even science requires faith.

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Evolution doesn't require "faith".
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:41 AM
 
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I'm also okay with "I don't know" as well.

I just believe that the order of things was put in motion by a higher power.
You contradict youself. If you don't know and are okay with it, why then would you need to believe in a higher power? Just say I don't know and I'm okay with that.

Maybe what you meant was more : I'm okay with not knowing but I would like, so would like to believe that a higher power exists and put the world in motion. And that is also okay! It's the origin of any philosophy. Why? Where? When? How?

But I don't think you're okay with not knowing, what bothers you is that you do know and can't put it all right with your faith, ie the Creation of intelligent design.

Belief has nothing to do with science or ID as in Intelligent Debate.
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:41 AM
 
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Evolution doesn't require "faith".
OMG!

It's really a shame when someone comes along without bothering to read all the posts someone posts and then adds some senseless little quip.


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Old 08-22-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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Perhaps (actually I know) I'm not the right person to explain the mathematical model presented in the program I watched.

But I will say that it definitely gave me pause to consider.

In a nutshell the best way I have the ability to explain is that they showed how if you accept evolution was a random thing of mutations causing changes, some beneficial and some not, and considering all the species that have ever existed on Earth, the numeric values don't add up.

There was either some type of shortcut evolution takes, or it wasn't actually random.

Hey....I love a mystery and found it all pretty thought provoking.

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One of these "shortcuts" are changes in the blueprint genes (e.g. hox genes). You can get from 2 legs to 100 with just a few base pair changes in the right blueprint genes. You can get from horse to giraffe by just turning on the gene that makes neck vertebrae for a slightly longer time in utero.

No longer quite the mystery it was when Darwin was around. We know a lot more about genetics, mutations and embryonic development to realize how easy it is to drastically change form.
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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OMG!

It's really a shame when someone comes along without bothering to read all the posts someone posts and then adds some senseless little quip.


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I really tried to read that drivel, but I've had a hard day at the office and my brain can only handle so much bunk.
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