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View Poll Results: Intelligent Design?
Yes, teach it along with Evolution 22 15.28%
No, teach only Evolution 121 84.03%
No, teach only Intelligent Design 1 0.69%
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:08 PM
 
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My initial list in this thread was to say I have no problem with school kids hearing different theories and choosing for themselves.
As long as it's a scientific theory, then it should be taught to age-appropriate children in a public school.

However, intelligent design is not a scientific theory. It is a religious belief.
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:10 PM
 
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The fact this is even a debate is a primary reason the US is slipping relative to other countries in science and math.

Ignore the flat-earthers. They are crippling progress.
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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As long as it's a scientific theory, then yes.

However, intelligent design is not a scientific theory. It is a religious belief.
Read what I posted about Carl Sagan.

I'd venture to say he'd disagree with you if he were able to.


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Old 08-22-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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Read what I posted about Carl Sagan.

I'd venture to say he'd disagree with you if he were able to.
Did you seriously just try to pretend that Carl Sagan was a supporter of Intelligent Design?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDzhFJbLxSY

May his ghost haunt your dreams tonight.
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:28 PM
 
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Read what I posted about Carl Sagan.

I'd venture to say he'd disagree with you if he were able to.


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No, he wouldn't.

Carl Sagan loved SCIENCE. He loved the thrill of discovery, the joy that accompanies the Eureka! moment. For him, this was a spiritual experience. The solving of a puzzle, the way science is prepared to dump a theory on its rear when new evidence is discovered, for Sagan this was living on the edge. With endless wonders revealed, and undiscovered worlds and universes just over the horizon. Sagan thought science was the ultimate adventure, and that the way scientific theories evolved was elegant and beautiful. In the same way that hackers and computer programmers will describe certain code to be elegant and beautiful.

Intelligent Design isn't Science. And Carl Sagan would have taken pleasure in pointing that out.
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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Intelligent Design isn't Science. And Carl Sagan would have taken pleasure in pointing that out.
Actually from my readings of Carl Sagan, he seemed to think more like there was Intelligent Design before the term was ever phrased.

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Old 08-22-2013, 02:00 PM
 
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I think intelligent design should be taught in schools, but not as a scientific alternative to evolution. Maybe as part of a Comparative World Religion class?
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:01 PM
 
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Intelligent design makes more sense than, and actually compliments, creationism and evolution. Considering that by the end of this century, humans (if still around) will be exploring personally what lies beyond our solar system, it should be given attention. You never know what is out there and it is huge!

Put it this way: We can now create life in a test tube. Stem cells can be used to grow new organs. Cloning has been accomplished but needs perfecting, to find a way to become more stable in its production and certainly causing genes to mutate by command or chromosomal pre-programming is already being worked on. I'm fairly certain there are other races and species in the galaxy who utilize technology much farther advanced than what we have and they would seem like celestial gods descending from the heavens to a bunch of primates/primitives who came in handy for research trials the same way rats and (the very same?) chimps come in handy for ours today.

So yes, explore the religious aspect of intelligent design along with a more realistic approach as to what all these ancient faerie tales about gods indicate alongside the natural changes that species make as they adapt to their environment for a more rounded appreciation of what we are and were and will be.

Creationists need this and so do evolutionists. The time that either theory is held as absolute has come up and a new look at these fields is needed ethically, if humans care about our origins honestly.
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:03 PM
 
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As an alternative theory to Darwin evolution?
Not in context of a science course, because evolution has a significant amount of scientific basis and evidence in support of it. Intelligent design is just a belief outside the realm of scientific evidence. As such, it belongs at most in context of a social studies or religion course.
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:15 PM
 
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Actually from my readings of Carl Sagan, he seemed to think more like there was Intelligent Design before the term was ever phrased.

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Then you are reading into his writings something that isn't there.

Sagan was an agnostic.

He didn't take a position one way or another on a god.

What he did take a position on was the incredible beauty and innovation in the universe around us. That doesn't mean that he saw any need for there to be a creator for such beauty and uniqueness to exist.
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