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View Poll Results: Intelligent Design?
Yes, teach it along with Evolution 22 15.28%
No, teach only Evolution 121 84.03%
No, teach only Intelligent Design 1 0.69%
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:32 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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hybrids. Don't you ever watch the History channel or Discovery? It's a theory just like evolution is a theory.
So you base your scientific knowledge and explanation of theories on the history channel and discovery channel? Which by the way..... the discovery channel is pro evolution so you might want to stop watching that one.....

But you still have the History Channel and Ancient Alien Civilizations!



But seriously, throughout your life many educators have failed you if you think aliens theories and the theory of evolution are on the same level.
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:35 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Evolution isn't the origin of life, it is the mechanism. You whole argument is basically we don't know everything so we don't know anything. How convenient.
More like: the Truth of God is self-evident, and so is the Falsity of evolution!

So it is declared, and so it shall be! Case closed.
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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We're not even smart enough to figure out how they built the pyramids. How is that evolution?
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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This is Intelligent Design

Secret world of insects revealed in fascinating science photos from the Natural News Forensic Food Lab

Real science is awe inspiring. Why limit yourself to preconceived notions? Whatever created this is beyond our current comprehension.
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Schools should stick to teaching facts, and leave the fairy tales to story time.
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Old 08-24-2013, 02:01 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Why can't we simply keep God outside of time and space - where he belongs?

Why misplace God in the natural world and then try to twist all the facts when the evidence doesn't fit?
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Old 08-24-2013, 02:16 PM
 
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Evolution is the science of change in life once life has already begun to exist. The origin of life and DNA is not evolution but abiogenesis.
You apparently do not realize that you are taking on an impossible task, but you are. It is impossible, by definition, to prove a falsehood. It can't be done.

Nevertheless, I will address these points specifically. First of all, Darwinian evolution is not simply the science of changes in life that already exists .... it is the theory that ALL SPECIES that have ever existed, and still exist today evolved from one common, self replicating life form, which is the common ancestor to all that exists, plant, animal, fish, etc. When Darwin first postulated this theory of Origin of the Species ... in those days, it was simply accepted that life could and did appear out of thin air, spontaneously. But, given what we now know of the complexity of a single cell, how does that form of spontaneous magic differ in any substantial way from the magic of creation, which evolutionists dismiss as fantastic myth? The answer is, there is no substantive difference. How is God-less magic less magical than God magic? Well, the answer is, it isn't less magical. So you either believe in magic or you don't. Which is it?

But the greater point to this is how evolution is touted as scientific evidence disproving creation and intelligent design .. claiming that evolution is pure science, while the latter is pure magic, but while doing so, you deliberately skip over the issue of how that original first life form came into existence, to wit all else is alleged to have sprung, via evolution? You can't just skip over the inconvenient part and pretend that doesn't matter. It most certainly does matter a great deal ... in fact, it is the PRIMARY POINT of importance relative to the ability of evolution to disprove creation or intelligent design.

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Many of the components of RNA and DNA, such as amino acids, have been discovered in meteorites that have impacted on earth. Recently, astronomers have discovered glycolaldehyde - a sugar molecule that is required to form RNA - in a distant star.

In other words, the building blocks of life likely pre-existed in space and made their way to earth by impacts of meteorites and comets billions of years ago. If you want to learn more about this, then read up on RNA world hypothesis.
I'm not going to play this game with you .. and it is a game. At the atomic level, everything is made of the same stuff ... you, a tree, a cinder block .. or a star. That amino acids have been discovered in meteorites may be an interesting factoid, but truthfully, this has no bearing on the discussion we're having. The existence or source of these chemical components in no way explains how they managed to become assembled into a complex living structure capable of self replication, based on detailed and complex instructions contained within their structure. How does finding an amino acid in a meteorite begin to address that? It doesn't. What you are doing here is muddying the water with irrelevant factoids, while avoiding the difficult but relevant points. And this is typical of every debate I have ever engaged in with evolutionists .. happens every single time.

But I will ask one very simple question once again ... if Darwinian Evolution Theory doesn't even address the origin of that first life form to which all else is alleged to have evolved, how then can the theory possibly disprove any other theory about the origin of that first life form? You may answer, and so may anyone else who cares to. And it's really pretty simple ... the only correct answer is ... Evolution does not disprove either creation or intelligent design ... but given that Darwinian Evolution Theory's primary purpose is to do just that, evolutionists are loath to answer that simple question .. and would prefer to talk about meteorites and amino acids.
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Old 08-24-2013, 02:20 PM
 
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I'll make it even easier for you.

Evolution doesn't address the origin of life.
Then let me also make it easier for you .... if that is true, then how can evolution possibly disprove intelligent design or creation if it doesn't address the origin of life, which is the PRIMARY POINT of creation??

Come on ... let's hear it!
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Old 08-24-2013, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Wow, never have I seen so many on one thread committing intellectual suicide. One thinks Darwin invented evolution, many don't have a clue what a scientific theory means, others think biology and evolution are not related, still others don't know the difference between evolution and bio-genesis, yet another thinks the history channel airs facts and is not just entertainment....

I can only conclude that the state of education in the US is in dire straits if so many people put ID (creationism) and evolution on equal footing...ID is based on myths...Evolution is science backed up by shed loads of evidence.
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Old 08-24-2013, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Then let me also make it easier for you .... if that is true, then how can evolution possibly disprove intelligent design or creation if it doesn't address the origin of life, which is the PRIMARY POINT of creation??

Come on ... let's hear it!
Good grief, get an education already...Evolution and science has no agenda, but bio-genesis can and does shoot your fairy tale down...Too bad if that threatens you.
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