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Old 08-23-2013, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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Reagan would be turning over in his grave right now if he saw what our country has turned into.

Obama Vs. Reagan? We need somebody like Reagan right now, and Obama won't even come close.
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Old 08-23-2013, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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The Reagan years:

Promised to balance the budget.

Debt ceiling raised 18X over two terms.

The Federal Debt increased 190 % during Reagan's two terms.

Last president to increase Payroll taxes and then spent them.

Amnesty to undocumented workers.

Put the W into the War on Drugs.

Slashed taxes for high income earners.

Raised taxes seven of the eight years and the tax increases impacted the Middle Class and low income earners the most.

Funded terrorists organizations, but who knew at the time.

Iran- Contra

Unemployment peaked at 11% and recovered with low paying and often part time jobs. ( Sound familiar?)
I'll wait and see if someone else corrects the several errors you posted.

I will say that at the end of Reagan years, the middle class were paying, by percent, less in taxes than they were under Carter. And the wealthy were paying more.

I will also point out that a large portion of jobs created during the Reagan years were not low-paying jobs.

And I will point out that how Iran-Contra was carried out was not illegal at the time.

As for the war on drugs, I support discouraging drug use; back then all rational people did. What would be better than a war on drugs? Encouraging drug use?
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Old 08-23-2013, 03:30 PM
 
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How is she a "nutcase?"

Is it because she is a successful person who just happens to be a Republican? I mean, we can't have that, can we?!
I don't know if nutcase is necessarily the right word, BUT "A One Woman Comedy Show" is pretty accurate:


Sarah Mania! Sarah Palin's Greatest Hits - YouTube
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Old 08-23-2013, 03:30 PM
 
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Well it appears the liberals have spoken and Reagan is a bum and a failure according to them. What a shock.

Now back in reality world as I pointed out in the OP I'm not speaking on policy terms but what the man preached basically I guess one could say. Reagan spoke of how great America was and is, he spoke of the American dream, he spoke of freedom. Obama preaches the opposite.
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Old 08-23-2013, 03:31 PM
 
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Reagan would be turning over in his grave right now if he saw what our country has turned into.

Obama Vs. Reagan? We need somebody like Reagan right now, and Obama won't even come close.
I agree. Dem or Repub we need a President to come forth and fight for America, our rights, our country. Not one who does the opposite.
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Old 08-23-2013, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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The image conservatives have of Obama is disturbingly psychotic. In their eyes, he's a radical trying to convert America's private-enterprise economy into a Socialist utopia. That vision is a hallucination and doesn't represent anything based in citable evidence. Obama in reality, based upon his policies, is a centrist -- somewhat more conservative than Richard Nixon.

Let us dust off the historical record. Under Reagan, the economy drifted downward for three years after his election. He blamed Carter three years in (read his 1983 State of the Union.) However, I don't blame Reagan for that bad economy. It was induced by the Federal Reserve tightening money to combat inflation caused by the Iran oil crisis. Once the Fed relaxed the brakes, the economy boomed.

Obama was faced with a different bad economy, one caused by massive leveraging before he was elected. Those types of recessions/depressions aren't easily fixed by Fed policy and historically take years to unwind.

"Destroy the economy," is an in-exact term. What Reagan did do was slash top tax-rates (down to 50%) that caused a massive deficit. Over his terms, the debt tripled. On "switched positions," Reagan cut taxes and when he saw the deficits they produced he presided over 11 tax-increases. Did he destroy the economy? That's in eyes of viewers. What he did do is usher in an era of massive income inequality. Top tax-rates were cut, tax-increases on lower levels increased and cuts in people programs instituted.

I don't see any evidence that Obama's policies destroyed the economy. His stimulus, although smaller than it should have been, mitigated the recession and created jobs. His partial undoing of the Bush tax-cuts has reduced the deficit to an amount lower than the one he inherited.

Regarding, "replaced with an ideology," the nation used to believe that the government was a force to make American lives better. We immunized children and eradicated Polio, we put people on the moon, we fed the hungry. Reagan's motto, which he voiced during his debate was, "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
It gets so tiring correcting the myths. But here goes:

Every balanced budget Reagan presented to Congress was declared DOA by (Democrat) Tip O'Neill. Congress spent, on average, 2.8% more than Reagan asked for and 24.5% over 8 years.

Due mainly to the two Reagan tax cuts in 1981 and 1983, government revenue almost doubled. The 1980s was one of the most prosperous decades in the history of the country... and not just for the "rich."
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Old 08-23-2013, 03:35 PM
 
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Although it pains me to say so, pghquest is right (for once.) Employer provided policies cannot bar pre-existing conditions.

See here: Karl Rove Shouldn’t Pretend He Understands Health Policy
sorry, but no one calls me a liar as rudely as pghquest has. This was what was told to me in FULL by my cousin's daughter. If there was any missing facts from her story, she never shared them with me, but WE saw the aftermath of what happens when you have to pay for your own medical procedures.

This is what I was told by my cousin's daughter (maybe a time reference is needed: this was in the 1980's). She had to pay for her own medical coverage while under her previous employer, despite working full time and qualifying for medical coverage. Today, with her current employer (which, she didn't have to worry about that; didn't even have to go through a pre-existing condition exclusion period), she has full coverage, and pays a small premium to cover her children.
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Old 08-23-2013, 03:36 PM
 
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Well it appears the liberals have spoken and Reagan is a bum and a failure according to them. What a shock.

Now back in reality world as I pointed out in the OP I'm not speaking on policy terms but what the man preached basically I guess one could say. Reagan spoke of how great America was and is, he spoke of the American dream, he spoke of freedom. Obama preaches the opposite.
Am I one of dem dam liberals who said Reagan is a bum???

Is that the easiest way to deflect what people say when they oppose you? Thank God we have labels and teams like liberals, conservatives, democrats and republicans, right? That way when someone disagrees with a statement you make you can just say "oh, you people...."
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Old 08-23-2013, 03:38 PM
 
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Your cousins daugter and her health care? Take this nonsense to a health care thread for Lords sake man. Cmon now.
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Old 08-23-2013, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Remember when right-wingers hammered Obama about czars? Well, who was the first president to use the term "czar?" Reagan.
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