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Old 08-27-2013, 12:22 AM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Times are different but much the same. Country was in a mess back then and now. Carter left it for Reagan and Bush left it for Obama. So what does a leader do?? Reagan went out and told the world how great America was and will be at every chance. The American dream can be achieved. He took on the biggest threat not with a war but with idea's. The wall came down and that made every liberal very upset. Why they can't even tell anyone. Reagan spoke of responsibility, accountability, family and country something liberals can't ever imagine. A great leader. A man who loved his country

Now we go to Obama. After being elected he goes on an apology tour across the world telling of how America is wrong, tells us all that we didn't build anything the government did and divides the country on every issue he can think of. There is no American dream just evil people who are trying to steal everything from you. Most important to the great Obama is taking our guns, gay weddings and wars on women according to him. Obama cares nothing about America, he despises it being here even though he is the greatest recipient of this country.

Reagan was a great leader. Obama a divider.


Farewell Speech - President Reagan's Farewell Speech from the Oval Office 1/11/89 - YouTube

Do you work for Fox News?
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Old 08-27-2013, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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When Reagan took office, both the inflation (about 13%) and interest rates (18+%) were far higher than when Obama took office.
Inflation/interest issue was the primary focus at that time, and Volcer took care of it, while the 2008 left us with a much longer list of more serious issues, like the nation losing 800K jobs per month, DOW cut in half, a deeply divided nation and toxic political environment. In 2008, Reagan could have ran as a Democrat and do all the things he did, and the GOP would call him a communist. Sad, but true.
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Old 08-27-2013, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Okay...
I requested a citation to prove your claim that 'Reagan submitted balanced budgets and Congress changed them.' The graphic that you submitted (from an unknown source) doesn't substantiate your claim that Reagan submitted a balanced budget. It merely says that 'Congress spent, on average, 2.8% more than Reagan asked for.' Reagan didn't submit a balanced budget in his eight years.

This are the budget submissions from Reagan:

1981 surplus/deficit - $-79B
1982 surplus/deficit -$-128B
1983 surplus/deficit - $-208B
1984 surplus/deficit - $-185B
1985 surplus/deficit - $-212B
1986 surplus/deficit - $-221B
1987 surplus/deficit - $-150B
1988 surplus/deficit -$-155B



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Posted: February 06, 1986

WASHINGTON — President Reagan's $994 billion budget for fiscal 1987 has drawn fierce criticism from congressional leaders, indicating that the proposal has scant chance of passage on Capitol Hill.

Reagan's budget, unveiled yesterday, calls for spending cuts and budget savings of $38.4 billion, leaving a deficit of $143.6 billion in the year beginning this Oct. 1.
Congress Pronounces Reagan Budget Doa - Philly.com

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Old 08-27-2013, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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When comparing the economic differences between when Reagan came into office and when Obama came into office you also need to factor in the huge loss of wealth just before Obama became President. The loss of wealth has huge long term consequences. The last recession was more than just a business downturn.

America's lost trillions in household wealth - Jun. 9, 2011

One reason that the U.S. economy still struggles to achieve sustained growth is that Americans are a long way from recovering the trillions of dollars of household wealth lost during the Great Recession.U.S. household wealth fell by about $16.4 trillion of net worth from its peak in spring 2007, about six months before the start of the recession, to when things hit bottom in the first quarter of 2009, according to figures from the Federal Reserve.
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Old 08-27-2013, 09:13 AM
 
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When comparing the economic differences between when Reagan came into office and when Obama came into office you also need to factor in the huge loss of wealth just before Obama became President. The loss of wealth has huge long term consequences. The last recession was more than just a business downturn.

America's lost trillions in household wealth - Jun. 9, 2011

One reason that the U.S. economy still struggles to achieve sustained growth is that Americans are a long way from recovering the trillions of dollars of household wealth lost during the Great Recession.U.S. household wealth fell by about $16.4 trillion of net worth from its peak in spring 2007, about six months before the start of the recession, to when things hit bottom in the first quarter of 2009, according to figures from the Federal Reserve.
Oh, pish! If there was a Republican in office the country would have recovered from that massive loss of wealth within months--a year or two at most.

Yes, that's sarcasm, but I have no doubt there are a whole lot of posters here who believe that.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
I requested a citation to prove your claim that 'Reagan submitted balanced budgets and Congress changed them.' The graphic that you submitted (from an unknown source) doesn't substantiate your claim that Reagan submitted a balanced budget. It merely says that 'Congress spent, on average, 2.8% more than Reagan asked for.' Reagan didn't submit a balanced budget in his eight years.

This are the budget submissions from Reagan:

1981 surplus/deficit - $-79B
1982 surplus/deficit -$-128B
1983 surplus/deficit - $-208B
1984 surplus/deficit - $-185B
1985 surplus/deficit - $-212B
1986 surplus/deficit - $-221B
1987 surplus/deficit - $-150B
1988 surplus/deficit -$-155B
MTA, Congress outspent Reagan. That is the plain truth. And there are sources listed within the graph I posted.

As for him submitting a balanced budget to Congress multiple times, those who are familiar with history (and the Reagan presidency) already know that. There is no need to "prove it."
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Old 08-28-2013, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Old 08-28-2013, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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Reagan belived in America. He believed in the people. I'm not arguing his policies were right or wrong. The man was a great president. Obama thinks America is wrong. That is where the problem is. Show me where Obama has spoken about America like Reagan did? The "light" of the world so to say which the US is. Now if you don't believe that then you are on Obama's level. The US was ready to go down in '80 and Reagan brought us back with his policies (not gonna debate that in this thread) and mostly his attitude that the US is great. First thing the man did was get our hostages back. USA........USA......USA.......we need that attitude back and Obama isn't bringing it.
You are living in an altered state of reality ,blinded by your love of a myth.

Obama is not a top shelf leader and is in fact quite a bit of a weasel,but he is head and shoulders above the slime that was Reagan..only GW was a worse POTUS than Reagan in modern history..he was overheard in front of witnesses on the phone making a deal to KEEP THOSE HOSTAGES IN CAPTIVITY UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION that you are gushing about HIM freeing...he got the GOP in bed with the insane right wing Evangelicals who's spawn gives you the Palins and Perrys of todays repub party,he started the amnesty that has given you what you have with the illegals today so his corporate buds could have slave labor,he ransacked all regulation that lead to pensions being raped of workers who had worked lifetimes for them,gave Wall St. The go ahead with less regulation to give you what you have today...the list goes on and on and since you started this you probably should've researched a bit deeper first...Reagan was trash.
Read the first article and if you find any untruths in it,please bring them to light for all of us...as I said,you are in love with an illusion and the truth is he was a senile old fool reading a script he didn't write nor could he understand it either.
Ronald Reagan: Worst President Ever? | Consortiumnews
8 reasons why Ronald Reagan was the worst president of our lifetime - Orlando liberal | Examiner.com
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Old 08-28-2013, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Times are different but much the same. Country was in a mess back then and now. Carter left it for Reagan and Bush left it for Obama. So what does a leader do?? Reagan went out and told the world how great America was and will be at every chance. The American dream can be achieved. He took on the biggest threat not with a war but with idea's. The wall came down and that made every liberal very upset. Why they can't even tell anyone. Reagan spoke of responsibility, accountability, family and country something liberals can't ever imagine. A great leader. A man who loved his country

Now we go to Obama. After being elected he goes on an apology tour across the world telling of how America is wrong, tells us all that we didn't build anything the government did and divides the country on every issue he can think of. There is no American dream just evil people who are trying to steal everything from you. Most important to the great Obama is taking our guns, gay weddings and wars on women according to him. Obama cares nothing about America, he despises it being here even though he is the greatest recipient of this country.

Reagan was a great leader. Obama a divider.


Farewell Speech - President Reagan's Farewell Speech from the Oval Office 1/11/89 - YouTube
Obama. Reagan is dead and lost his mind by this time in his second term and Nancy and her astrologers were running the show. Ronald was not as great a President as you seem to think, he spent like a drunken sailor on crap that was eventually thrown in the trash and he did love the word Amnesty, didn't he. LOL!
Oh, and let's not forget that he and his VP were both guilty of selling arms to Iran and giving money to the Contras, a terrorist organization, both being against the Law.
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Old 08-28-2013, 04:22 PM
 
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Obama. Reagan is dead and lost his mind by this time in his second term and Nancy and her astrologers were running the show. Ronald was not as great a President as you seem to think, he spent like a drunken sailor on crap that was eventually thrown in the trash and he did love the word Amnesty, didn't he. LOL!
Oh, and let's not forget that he and his VP were both guilty of selling arms to Iran and giving money to the Contras, a terrorist organization, both being against the Law.
Just to show others how ridiculously stupid liberals can be and how much they believe in repetitive lying to rewrite history.

But even with the hindsight of Mr. Reagan's diagnosis, his four main White House doctors say they never detected any evidence that his forgetfulness was more than just that. His mental competence in office, they said in a series of recent interviews, was never in doubt. Indeed, they pointed out, tests of his mental status did not begin to show evidence of the disease until the summer of 1993, more than four years after he left the White House.

While Known for Being Forgetful, Reagan Was Mentally Sound in Office, Doctors Say - NYTimes.com

Why don't you do something stupid now like quote the lying POS junior so that he can be thoroughly dismissed and shown to be the liar and opportunists that he is.
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