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Old 08-23-2013, 05:55 AM
 
Location: North America
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Yeah, St. Ronnie pops up again.

And, as a reminder:

1. Ignored AIDs into a pandemic because it was labeled "gay cancer". From the first indication of the crisis in 1981, Reagan first addressed the problem in..wait for it...1987.

2. Sold weapons to Iran to support the Sandanista Contra effort. This is worse by far than Benghazi--why? Because you don't trade with the enemy. Reagan threw everyone under the bus on that one--sorta like Nixon did.

3. HUD rigging scandal where low income housing bids were rigged to favor GOP contributors to the Reagan campaign.

4. Sewergate, targeted release of Superfund grants to enhance the election prospects of local officials aligned with the GOP.

5. Inslaw affair, the DOJ pirated software from the Inslaw Co, and then forced them into bankruptcy.

6. Savings and Loan collapse, remember that? 747 S&Ls failed and had to be bailed out with $160 billion (with a B) taxpayer dollars. Proof positive deregulation does not work. Too bad we didn't learn the lesson.

7. Debategate where Reagan's campaign manager somehow acquired Carter's debate briefing notes in 1980.

8. The 1983 truck bombing of the Marine base in Lebanon. Reagan's own Defense Secretary warned that a base there would be inviting an attack. After the attack, the Prez initially said "We're not going anywhere" then moved the troops out. Cut and run much, Ronnie?


Does any of this sound familiar? Naw, I didn't think so. Everything was somehow a freaking bed of roses when Ron was in the Whitehouse. His only talent was being an actor.

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Old 08-23-2013, 06:02 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Don't see anywhere in your list RR tried to destroy the economy to replace it with an ideology or that his misleading words and switched positions were sanitized a mainstream media turned propaganda machine.

RR's supporters did not label opponents as racist.
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:03 AM
 
Location: North America
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Don't see anywhere in your list RR tried to destroy the economy to replace it with an ideology or that his misleading words and switched positions were sanitized a mainstream media turned propaganda machine.

RR's supporters did not label opponents as racist.
Are you serious? The sad part is, you are. Obama didn't destroy the economy. That feat was accomplished by Congress and Clinton who passed further deregulation of the Big Banks, furthered along by GWB with his unfunded tax cuts, two wars, and drunken sailor spending. The worst recession in a generation didn't start with Obama.

And before you start shouting about the NSA, let me remind you of a little thing called the Patriot Act which allows them to poke into private lives without warrants. People were warned about that at the get-go, but nobody would listen, and labeled the people speaking out against it as cowards and traitors.

Get your head out of the RW talking point bubble and look at reality. I don't think Obama is a great President, but, Jesus H. Christmas, he's not the antichrist you guys want to paint him as.

And, no, I didn't vote for him.

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Old 08-23-2013, 06:04 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Reagan belived in America. He believed in the people. I'm not arguing his policies were right or wrong. The man was a great president. Obama thinks America is wrong. That is where the problem is. Show me where Obama has spoken about America like Reagan did? The "light" of the world so to say which the US is. Now if you don't believe that then you are on Obama's level. The US was ready to go down in '80 and Reagan brought us back with his policies (not gonna debate that in this thread) and mostly his attitude that the US is great. First thing the man did was get our hostages back. USA........USA......USA.......we need that attitude back and Obama isn't bringing it.
Reagan was an actor, played the role well.

WHY is it ever a problem for anyone to admit mistakes have been made and try to correct them?

IF America isn't wrong as you imply, WHY do the self-Righteous constantly pi$$ & moan about it?

The biggest Reagan/Obama similarity is they both enjoy(ed) undeserved Teflon coatings.
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:11 AM
 
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The biggest Reagan/Obama similarity is they both enjoy(ed) undeserved Teflon
coatings.
Bingo. I never could understand the drooling Reagan worship.
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Don't see anywhere in your list RR tried to destroy the economy to replace it with an ideology or that his misleading words and switched positions were sanitized a mainstream media turned propaganda machine.

RR's supporters did not label opponents as racist.
The image conservatives have of Obama is disturbingly psychotic. In their eyes, he's a radical trying to convert America's private-enterprise economy into a Socialist utopia. That vision is a hallucination and doesn't represent anything based in citable evidence. Obama in reality, based upon his policies, is a centrist -- somewhat more conservative than Richard Nixon.

Let us dust off the historical record. Under Reagan, the economy drifted downward for three years after his election. He blamed Carter three years in (read his 1983 State of the Union.) However, I don't blame Reagan for that bad economy. It was induced by the Federal Reserve tightening money to combat inflation caused by the Iran oil crisis. Once the Fed relaxed the brakes, the economy boomed.

Obama was faced with a different bad economy, one caused by massive leveraging before he was elected. Those types of recessions/depressions aren't easily fixed by Fed policy and historically take years to unwind.

"Destroy the economy," is an in-exact term. What Reagan did do was slash top tax-rates (down to 50%) that caused a massive deficit. Over his terms, the debt tripled. On "switched positions," Reagan cut taxes and when he saw the deficits they produced he presided over 11 tax-increases. Did he destroy the economy? That's in eyes of viewers. What he did do is usher in an era of massive income inequality. Top tax-rates were cut, tax-increases on lower levels increased and cuts in people programs instituted.

I don't see any evidence that Obama's policies destroyed the economy. His stimulus, although smaller than it should have been, mitigated the recession and created jobs. His partial undoing of the Bush tax-cuts has reduced the deficit to an amount lower than the one he inherited.

Regarding, "replaced with an ideology," the nation used to believe that the government was a force to make American lives better. We immunized children and eradicated Polio, we put people on the moon, we fed the hungry. Reagan's motto, which he voiced during his debate was, "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

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Old 08-23-2013, 06:32 AM
 
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Polls are not about leadership, real leadership. They are about a characture of democracy; mob rule. Our founders feared for the nascent country, ruled by the mob. It is why our country was formulated as Constitutional Republic.

I'll add one more thought. Leadership is subtle, ethereal. Particularly in the elegant, graceful sense. More an art, than a science. In this way, any mention of polls, policies or scandals, or outside influences, others (as in what the opposing party does or does not do); is simply irrelevant.
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The above is the definition of revisionist history.

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Old 08-23-2013, 07:40 AM
 
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Old 08-23-2013, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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It looks like KUchief25 likes to label everyone a liberal....
Any idiot who thinks Bush was worse than Obama is a liberal.
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Old 08-23-2013, 08:33 AM
 
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Any idiot who thinks Bush was worse than Obama is a liberal.

I think the thread is about Reagan v Obama.
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