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Old 08-23-2013, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Is everything that's bad or not improved or plain failed that the potus has tried still Bushs fault ?
What ever Bush screwed up is still Bush's fault. Always will be. And that's a long time.

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Thats all I still here and its old.
1. It's hear.

2. It's going to get a lot older. See above.

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When Hilary is the next president eill it still be Bushs fault?
In a thousand years, it'll be Bush's fault. Kinda like Nero burning Rome 2000 years ago. Still Nero's fault. That's how it works.

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Its party politics that's killing america, not one individual person.
Bush had plenty of help. He didn't beat down the USA all on his own.

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Old 08-23-2013, 11:09 AM
 
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When Warren Buffet endorsed Obama, did you even wonder why?

And why are they seeing record profits? Hint, it has something to do with government limiting competition. The two arent a coincidence.
Doesn't Buffett profit from his railroad oil tankers? If Keystone were to be built, Buffett would stand to lose railroad oil tanker profits.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:10 AM
 
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I don't think in absolutes.

ACA has become a scapegoat for some employers who have historically chosen to operate their business with part time workers. Cutting through the crap in retail and food services, the employers want optimum scheduling flexibility and to avoid paying OT.

There has been a trend towards part time employment going back t the 60's. It dovetails well with how the retail and food services sectors have over time become the largest non public employers.
Thank you for proving my point, that some people NEVER blame government, because it cant possibly have any ramifications can it?

If ACA is a scapegoat, then why did these companies offer benefits before it? Do you think they were just dying to find a reason to abandon the insurance policies because they hate their employees?
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Employers are not stupid, if they have a good employee they will want to keep them. If government makes it increasingly more burdensome and costly to run their business, the employers will not be able to remain competitive unless they act in ways that might normally go against their wishes.

In other words, government forcing increased costs from a never ending stream of new laws and regulations, will force employers to react to accommodate these laws, and not act in ways that might have resulted in higher wages and more employees.

For the sake of discussion, excluding ACA, what new laws and regulations are we discussing?

But to liberals, employers are simply greedy evil people, and government needs to beat them down and control their every move. We have idiots in government who have never ran a business writing laws and regulations. then when businesses complain, these same ignorant legislators and bureaucrats ignore them, and plod on with even more laws and regs, and and have the temerity to look shocked and surprised when the economy goes to hell and jobs disappear.
Lobbyists, the paid guns for hire, write most legislation.

We the people have a tendency to elect idiots, regardless of partisan.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:14 AM
 
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Lobbyists, the paid guns for hire, write most legislation.

We the people have a tendency to elect idiots, regardless of partisan.
Yes, and lobbyists write that legislation to limit the competition so those who wrote the legislation can benefit the most and generate record profits...

And you stand here and pretend like there is no negative ramifications.. How the hell can you believe that?
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:15 AM
 
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What ever Bush screwed up is still Bush's fault. Always will be. And that's a long time.

1. It's hear.

2. It's going to get a lot older. See above.

In a thousand years, it'll be Bush's fault. Kinda like Nero burning Rome 2000 years ago. Still Nero's fault. That's how it works.

Bush had plenty of help. He didn't beat down the USA all on his own.

Braggart.
I thought Obama was elected and then reelected to fix all of Bush's mess, bring prosperity, transparency, and make it rain gum drops and lollipops. Here we are five years later and EVERYTHING Bush did has been made worse.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:17 AM
 
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Lobbyists, the paid guns for hire, write most legislation.

We the people have a tendency to elect idiots, regardless of partisan.
I did not say this: For the sake of discussion, excluding ACA, what new laws and regulations are we discussing?
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:28 AM
 
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Advancements in technology and productivity levels have been taking place since the beginning of time. Stop pretending its all of a sudden only happening because Obama is President.
I never said technology is new or that companies just found out how to increase productivity. Manufacturing used to be the industry that the lesser educatied went into, but that industry has been shedding jobs for a long time. Government work is also a major employer of the lesser educated and they have been shedding jobs for the past few years.







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Whats comical is if you blame the advancements in productivity, then clearly this means Bush isnt to blame, right?
Did I say he was?
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:31 AM
 
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I never said technology is new or that companies just found out how to increase productivity. Manufacturing used to be the industry that the lesser education went into, but that industry has been shedding jobs for a long time. Government work is also a major employer of the lesser educated and they have been shedding jobs for the past few years.




Did I say he was?
Weird that the number of manufacturing jobs declined in the 2000's, but our unemployment rate was dropping..

To pretend thats to blame for todays problems, 5 years after it bottomed and now beginning to climb again is just play silly..
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Since when did wanting people to have a job, become partisan to you? Thats an issue you really need to do some soul searching on because I learned a very long time ago that work puts money in your pocket while it seems you learned that wanting people to work means somehow hate.

So what you're saying is that you never taught your daughter the benefits of hard work, and that somehow government is responsible to create policies to hinder growth, unless of course we're discussing Obama, because we all know you dont see any negative ramifications to anything he does..

no its not.. Countries like Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam and Malaysia all have unemployment rates under 2%, and its been noted that these countries have such low rates by enticing investments to their nation that used to go to China..

Hell, even Mexico has an unemployment rate around 5%, which is 50% lower than ours.

When you entice money and investments into your country PEOPLE GET JOBS.. Thats not at all what is taking place here in the USA, and rather than admit it, you stand here and make excuses.

I'll choose the Thailand door. About 70% of its people live in rural areas. About 30% live on less than $1 income per day.If the U.S. were to eliminate all wage and labor and environmental protection laws, we too could compete in the global marketplace and create tons of new $1 a day jobs.

Who has benefited from cheap global labor more so than the U.S. people?
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