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In California, there are 139 "takers" for every 100 workers.
Ahh, yes, the old Heritage Foundation "report" which has been so thoroughly debunked as a lie that not even Republican politicians refer to it. They're claiming retired people on Social Security are "takers", as if they didn't earn those benefits and pay into it for decades, and, no, just because lots of elderly people decide to retire to the sun belt doesn't mean jack cheese about a state's economic health.
You'll notice fact check calls steven_h's claims a pack of lies. Again, we're having a fundamental disconnect between reality and the right wing claims. The right wing claims are ALWAYS, and I do mean always, at odds with reality. They just don't live in a fact based world which the rest of us recognize as reality. That is their personal failure for fearing reality so much they willingly live in a fantasy world.
Ironic that you'd use this term... considering the state is burning at the moment. 6 major fires, including the rim fire which is now the 4th worst in history. Another 45 sq miles and it'll be #2. They say it'll take another 3 weeks to put it out. In the two weeks that it has been burning, it has consumed over 370 square miles.
They suspect it was started by Mexican cartel pot growers.
$60M up in smoke so far, and this doesn't count the lumber, wildlife, and damage to Yosemite Park.
yeah the lumber and wildfire could have been log and hunted, but the eco statist would never allow that.
Originally Posted by Think4Yourself;31259643[COLOR="Red"
]What do you call people who willfully live in a fantasy land and completely, and I do mean COMPLETELY, ignore facts and reality?[/color]
Easy, you call them Liberals.
You guys are wrong about the following.
Illegal Immigration/Border Security
Gun Control
School Vouchers
The Fair Tax
Public Sector Unions
Affirmative Acton
Personal Accountability/Personal Responsibility
You'll notice fact check calls steven_h's claims a pack of lies. Again, we're having a fundamental disconnect between reality and the right wing claims. The right wing claims are ALWAYS, and I do mean always, at odds with reality. They just don't live in a fact based world which the rest of us recognize as reality. That is their personal failure for fearing reality so much they willingly live in a fantasy world.
I agree with you.
The lack of dealing with reality and fact free nature of conservatism is always shocking. I don't know how you proceed to have a discussion about any public policy if factual information isn't the foundation of the discussion.
With conservatives, factual information is to be ignored and this fantasy approach is embraced.
As a nation we should be able to address problems without conservatives attacking this group or that group.
I would love to have a discussion about public policy regarding the poor, but conservatives don't want that discussion. They just want to say poor people are immoral, lazy, criminal, dumb, etc. So every point they make is based on proving that just how corrupt poor people are collectively and how they don't deserve government help.
They do this type of stuff on every policy.
Tax policy isn't a discussion about hey how do we as Americans pay for things we want government to do without stifling the economy.
Instead every tax debate is one based on faith in lower taxes for rich people as always the answer. You can't have a debate because they believe in something with a religious fervor.
And over and over again on issue after issue, you find conservatives unmoved by factual reality.
We can't have a discussion on healthcare and the fact that we spend more than any other nation have terrible health outcomes and fail to insure millions of our citizens.
The lack of health insurance KILLS people. Yet you cannot have a factual discussion with conservatives that in the known world other nations provide cheaper healthcare, cover all their citizens, and have better healthcare outcomes. This reality is ignored for focusing on fairytale stuff. Heck, it doesn't even mean we should completely do what they do, but an acknowledgment of reality would be nice.
You'll notice fact check calls steven_h's claims a pack of lies. Again, we're having a fundamental disconnect between reality and the right wing claims. The right wing claims are ALWAYS, and I do mean always, at odds with reality. They just don't live in a fact based world which the rest of us recognize as reality. That is their personal failure for fearing reality so much they willingly live in a fantasy world.
Actually, Factcheck called the viral email a pack of lies and stated that the email distorts the original Forbes article.
The lack of dealing with reality and fact free nature of conservatism is always shocking. I don't know how you proceed to have a discussion about any public policy if factual information isn't the foundation of the discussion.
With conservatives, factual information is to be ignored and this fantasy approach is embraced.
As a nation we should be able to address problems without conservatives attacking this group or that group.
I would love to have a discussion about public policy regarding the poor, but conservatives don't want that discussion. They just want to say poor people are immoral, lazy, criminal, dumb, etc. So every point they make is based on proving that just how corrupt poor people are collectively and how they don't deserve government help.
They do this type of stuff on every policy.
Tax policy isn't a discussion about hey how do we as Americans pay for things we want government to do without stifling the economy.
Instead every tax debate is one based on faith in lower taxes for rich people as always the answer. You can't have a debate because they believe in something with a religious fervor.
And over and over again on issue after issue, you find conservatives unmoved by factual reality.
We can't have a discussion on healthcare and the fact that we spend more than any other nation have terrible health outcomes and fail to insure millions of our citizens.
The lack of health insurance KILLS people. Yet you cannot have a factual discussion with conservatives that in the known world other nations provide cheaper healthcare, cover all their citizens, and have better healthcare outcomes. This reality is ignored for focusing on fairytale stuff. Heck, it doesn't even mean we should completely do what they do, but an acknowledgment of reality would be nice.
It sound likes you and the Republicans deserve each other. The both of you should be locked in padded rooms while the moderates discuss the issues and look for solutions.
It sound likes you and the Republicans deserve each other. The both of you should be locked in padded rooms while the moderates discuss the issues and look for solutions.
The Forbes article you linked considers teachers, civil engineers, park rangers, bus drivers, and firefighters to be "takers."
You guys are insane.
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