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Who even said anything about a gay gene? You people keep bringing that up, not us. There is probably not one single gene that flips homosexuality on and off, just like that. It is more likely than not a combination of genetic and environmental factors.
My point still stands though. Gay people will tell you that they have felt the way they have as long as they remember. That's called firsthand evidence, my friend. Just as the effect of gravitation on you and on objects is firsthand evidence of its existence, even if you have no idea how it works. Do you really think anyone would purposefully choose a lifestyle that can very well bring them intense misery and suffering, alienation from family, physical violence and possibly death? Are you really that dense?
In spite of the dangers, people still smoke, they still drink to excess, they adopt horrible eating habits, they ride motorcycles without helmets, and take all sorts of risks with their lives, health, and personal happiness. Sad but true.
Is it impossible to discuss without resorting to fallacies? You do realize by attacking personally as you are, it is a sign that your position is weakening and so you must resort to attacking the person in order to bolster your position? I would ask nicely that you refrain from insulting comments directed at me. If you can not, a mod can certainly remedy your inability to discuss civilly?
Actually it's a sign that reason has no effect on some people and so I'm just posting in black and white. I attacked no individual, just like the hateful spew of homophobes is attacking no individual gay person on the site. Thank you for trying to threaten me with the mods or whatever. Please, report my post. Ask them to look at many of yours and your ilk, too. I'll wait with trembling knees
Actually it's a sign that reason has no effect on some people and so I'm just posting in black and white. I attacked no individual, just like the hateful spew of homophobes is attacking no individual gay person on the site. Thank you for trying to threaten me with the mods or whatever. Please, report my post. Ask them to look at many of yours and your ilk, too. I'll wait with trembling knees
If you are going to debate science then you don't start throwing names around.
You don't start bringing emotion into the picture.
You are posting your emotional opinion based on your bias.
In spite of the dangers, people still smoke, they still drink to excess, they adopt horrible eating habits, they ride motorcycles without helmets, and take all sorts of risks with their lives, health, and personal happiness. Sad but true.
Not a valid analogy. Being gay is a capital crime in some countries and there is no benefit to being gay. If it were as simple as "choosing" to be straight, people would do it. The fact that countless people have tried to become straight and can't change their feelings shows it's not a choice.
If you are going to debate science then you don't start throwing names around.
You don't start bringing emotion into the picture.
You are posting your emotional opinion based on your bias.
That's how you picture my posts. Yet, I see nothing in your posting history denouncing the attrcious, emotional things people post about gay people. Hmmm.... Hating gay people is based on pure bias and emotion. I'd be happy to debate science if I saw actual science being used in the debate. If my previous posts upset you, don't worry. Someone said they're going cry to the mods about being offended, so I'm sure they'll be deleted.
In spite of the dangers, people still smoke, they still drink to excess, they adopt horrible eating habits, they ride motorcycles without helmets, and take all sorts of risks with their lives, health, and personal happiness. Sad but true.
Not the same. Ethanol and nicotine are intensely addictive chemicals. Horrible eating habits can be very rewarding in the short-term. Riding without a helmet is exhilarating, and you'll probably die instantly from smashing your bare head into the ground at such speeds.
Choosing to be gay on purpose would be choosing the very real possibility of a lifetime of immense emotional torment and suffering, possibly starting as early as early childhood. Think about all the youths who are disowned and abandoned by their parents that often end up homeless; think about the people who endure and have endured prolonged violence and bullying, often to the point where they feel they have no other choice to commit suicide to escape the pain. Think of what it feels like to have others tell you you're not even a second class citizen; you're just plain less than a person. Where is the reward in this?
If people had a choice, almost no one would ever choose this, ever.
Some of those stereotypes are born out of culture; a need to conform and be accepted by their peers.
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Much of the acting out, especially concerning promiscuous sex, drug use, and self-harm, etc, are results of becoming emotionally distorted and distressed by a lifetime of being treated as a second class citizen due to factors beyond your control, even though you've done nothing to hurt anyone.
So both responses here attribute the behavior not to some undeniable inborn characteristic, but is instead rooted in hurt feelings and a desire to be accepted by other outcasts? Awwwww... how sad. Somebody got their poor wittle feewings hurt and is throwing a tantwum to get attention? And now they want to force businesses to happily service them to validate their bizarre behavior?
Life's not fair, it's not supposed to be. Some win, some lose, deal with it. Find a photographer who either endorses your mutant ways or who is at least willing to overlook it and take your money anyhow. Separate but equal is still equal. I wouldn't hire an openly gay service provider for any shindig I'm hosting, and wouldn't expect one to eagerly seek my business knowing how I feel. There are plenty of others out there where we can both be satisfied.
Not a valid analogy. Being gay is a capital crime in some countries and there is no benefit to being gay. If it were as simple as "choosing" to be straight, people would do it. The fact that countless people have tried to become straight and can't change their feelings shows it's not a choice.
Adultery is a capital crime in some countries too. So is pedophilia. So what? People still make those choices in spite of the dangers.
People make all sorts of lifestyle choices that will probably result in great personal unhappiness, loss, etc. I'm not saying whether or not being gay is a choice - I actually don't know, though I personally think that it's probably partly genetic and partly environmental.
All I'm saying is that the argument "Who would CHOOSE to be gay and choose a lifestyle of personal difficulty?" is not a valid or reasonable argument. People choose lifestyles that create personal difficulty all the time.
BUT, photographers won't be able to turn down gay customers in the future. I think that was the point--to make sure it doesn't happen to someone else.
Yes they can.
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Hating gay people is based on pure bias and emotion. I'd be happy to debate science if I saw actual science being used in the debate. 
If my previous posts upset you, don't worry. Someone said they're going cry to the mods about being offended, so I'm sure they'll be deleted.