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That's not the point... the point is ensuring that ALL citizens can have equal access to services and businesses, whether or not they choose to patronize every business.
It is the point. The government and laws can not ensure this. People can though.
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My mother totally bought some soldier figurines (for my brother's collection) at a Nazi-owned shop in Vegas once, much to my dismay. I tried to get her to leave the shop, once I noticed what kind of place it was, but she really liked those soldiers! Was I happy to give him our money? No. But I was happy we had the freedom to go in, look around, and decide to buy something despite his personal beliefs. He probably had no idea we were Jewish, but again I like knowing he couldn't have denied us service because of that.
He could have........."I'm sorry, those are on hold for another customer".
Now the New Mexico Supreme Court decides that wedding photographers can't refuse to shoot gay ceremonies. Even though the hottie photographer was willing to shoot gays just not wedding ceremonies.
One judge said the following; The Huguenins are free to think, to say, to believe, as they wish; they may pray to the God of their choice and follow those commandments in their personal lives wherever they lead. The Constitution protects the Huguenins in that respect and much more. But there is a price, one that we all have to pay somewhere in our civic life.
There's a price to pay for our religious convictions?
Religious people need to wake up and realize this is a republic, not a theocracy. Refusing service to someone because of religious bigotry is no more acceptable than refusing them service because of racial bigotry. Your right to believe ignorant, hateful things about gays ends when you try to discriminate against them. It is long past time for the secular people of America to stand up to religious bigots and say, loud and clear, that they can no longer hate their hate behind their so-called "religion."
It is the point. The government and laws can not ensure this. People can though.
I wish the government didn't have to get involved, but didn't "the people" already prove themselves incapable of ensuring everyone's equality? I'm not a big government type (more libertarian on most issues), but many Americans apparently act like stupid children on this matter.
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He could have........."I'm sorry, those are on hold for another customer".
Sure, but he could not have openly denied services to all Jewish people. There's always a way to skirt these laws, i.e. telling a 65 year-old job candidate "the other candidate (who just happens to be an attractive 35 year-old) was determined to fit our needs better" blah blah blah. So it's not a perfect system, but at least they know penalties for openly defying these laws are a possibility.
In my personal opinion, laws like these are more of a "symbolic" gesture. I realize they're easy to get around, and sometimes not even worth enforcing... but I guess it's like sending a message, and letting business owners know their bigotry isn't government approved.
False. People cannot assure, or even significantly promote, their receipt of equal treatment. And that's really why your whole argument falls apart: Bigots and haters don't want to eliminate bigotry and hatred.
It's been asked over and over and nobody really wants to answer the question of why someone would want someone that really wasn't into it do something like this for them?
In this particular instance, I wouldn't want them to do the pictures. I also wouldn't want a custom cake from a baker, but this law is bigger than that. This law means that I can't be refused service in a clothing store, or a deli, or a gas station. The point isn't that the couple wanted their service after the photographer said no. The point is that the photographer broke the law by saying no.
I wish the government didn't have to get involved, but didn't "the people" already prove themselves incapable of ensuring everyone's equality? I'm not a big government type (more libertarian on most issues), but many Americans apparently act like stupid children on this matter.
Are you making the claim that everyone treats everyone equally today because of government laws? Laws only follow the will of the majority. When a majority are going in one direction they will without a law dictating it.
For decades the gay marriage debate went on but it got nowhere until a large portion of people got behind it. Laws are not passed and upheld that is going to cause a politician to lose their jobs in the vast majority of cases.
The vast majority of people are willing and happy to accept all customers because that is what they want, not because a law tells them they must. If you want to be accepted you change the people, not the laws.
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Sure, but he could not have openly denied services to all Jewish people. There's always a way to skirt these laws, i.e. telling a 65 year-old job candidate "the other candidate (who just happens to be an attractive 35 year-old) was determined to fit our needs better" blah blah blah. So it's not a perfect system, but at least they know penalties for openly defying these laws are a possibility.
In my personal opinion, laws like these are more of a "symbolic" gesture. I realize they're easy to get around, and sometimes not even worth enforcing... but I guess it's like sending a message, and letting business owners know their bigotry isn't government approved.
Symbolic laws are a waste of our and the governments time. In reality it only makes things worse. Those who are not open to things like this only get hardened in their beliefs when the law tells them they must do something. It's human nature.
False. People cannot assure, or even significantly promote, their receipt of equal treatment. And that's really why your whole argument falls apart: Bigots and haters don't want to eliminate bigotry and hatred.
Nor does a law change them. Gay marriage is happening today because people have changed, not because the laws state they must change.
In this particular instance, I wouldn't want them to do the pictures. I also wouldn't want a custom cake from a baker, but this law is bigger than that. This law means that I can't be refused service in a clothing store, or a deli, or a gas station. The point isn't that the couple wanted their service after the photographer said no. The point is that the photographer broke the law by saying no.
As has been pointed out over and over you can be refused. For those who aren't prone to making an excuse they will do as I said. "I will take your pictures but I have to say, I do not support your lifestyle" in which case they will take the pics but as you note, you aren't going to hire them anyway, so what is the point?
For those who don't care they simply tell you that they have already filled that weekend.
As has been pointed out over and over you can be refused. For those who aren't prone to making an excuse they will do as I said. "I will take your pictures but I have to say, I do not support your lifestyle" in which case they will take the pics but as you note, you aren't going to hire them anyway, so what is the point?
For those who don't care they simply tell you that they have already filled that weekend.
The photographer in this case did neither of those.
She denied the service, and stated the reason as the couple being homosexual.
Maybe she isn't a very smart business person.
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