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Old 12-24-2013, 09:29 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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I was responding to someone else saying that Blacks should "clean up their neighborhoods". While I don't disagree that a cleanup of those neighborhoods would help, I would also say that when many parts of major cities turned bad, middle class Whites began leaving. If Whites can do that, then Blacks should be able to do the same. If Blacks are expected to clean up neighborhoods, the same should be expected from everyone else.
i agree.

 
Old 12-24-2013, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I was responding to someone else saying that Blacks should "clean up their neighborhoods". While I don't disagree that a cleanup of those neighborhoods would help, I would also say that when many parts of major cities turned bad, middle class Whites began leaving. If Whites can do that, then Blacks should be able to do the same. If Blacks are expected to clean up neighborhoods, the same should be expected from everyone else.
Sometimes lack of funds to move keeps them there.
But they do find ways.

We had one student who took the public bus to summer school where I was teaching.
He was kinda sly about it too and waited around til the school buses and most of the teachers left.
I saw him quite a few times as I went to the CVS there to buy a bottle of water before going to the next school for an afternoon session.

In talking with one of the other teachers about him (concerns about him taking the bus) I found out he lived with his grandma in one of the more rough neighborhoods and grandma used someone else's address to get him into this middle class school.
She told me not to say anything because he'd get kicked out.
My comments to her was "Good for grandma."

Where there's a will, there's a way.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 09:48 AM
 
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Actually a lot start their own business especially in the blue collar/manual labor fields.
I know of a guy that makes moveable goat/horse/cow panels.
Sells them at a reasonable price and even delivers and helps you set them up.

Works from his home and he and his son do the delivering.
Little to no overhead expenses.
Advertises on craig's list with pictures and then word of mouth when people see them.

Why aren't college graduates inventing their own jobs today ?
Why are they settling for McDonalds while venting to their elected officials to "fix it" for them ?
Well,

1) Starting a business involves being willing to take a risk.
2) Starting a business takes a business plan
3) It takes having investments.
4) It takes knowing your clientele base.

Those who start businesses and do well, have all 4.

With many immigrants who start businesses, they look to each other for investment, and put their money together. I would say with many Americans, people look to banks for investment, they don't look to one another. It's an "I got mine, so you get yours mentality". What you mentioned about the guy who has his son drive, that is similar to someone I know. There is a student I know whose father owned a frozen yogurt place, and had his son help out.

I would say many people don't take risks, don't want to take risks because it takes being willing to fail, being willing to put in time. Many people don't know how to start a business. Starting a business requires being willing to wait for the big windfall.

I actually tried to start a business this past summer in landscaping. Did I really want to do so? No. However, I felt like creating my own job would be the one way to get work quickly. It failed. I didn't have the investment necessary. I have bad credit, so I can't get a business loan. I tried this with a friend of mine. It didn't work. I feel like the best way to start a business, is for people to be able to turn to one another.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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Sometimes lack of funds to move keeps them there.
But they do find ways.

We had one student who took the public bus to summer school where I was teaching.
He was kinda sly about it too and waited around til the school buses and most of the teachers left.
I saw him quite a few times as I went to the CVS there to buy a bottle of water before going to the next school for an afternoon session.

In talking with one of the other teachers about him (concerns about him taking the bus) I found out he lived with his grandma in one of the more rough neighborhoods and grandma used someone else's address to get him into this middle class school.
She told me not to say anything because he'd get kicked out.
My comments to her was "Good for grandma."

Where there's a will, there's a way.
That is sneaky. Many people would not know, or are too afraid to do that.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well,

1) Starting a business involves being willing to take a risk.
2) Starting a business takes a business plan
3) It takes having investments.
4) It takes knowing your clientele base.

Those who start businesses and do well, have all 4.

With many immigrants who start businesses, they look to each other for investment, and put their money together. I would say with many Americans, people look to banks for investment, they don't look to one another. It's an "I got mine, so you get yours mentality". What you mentioned about the guy who has his son drive, that is similar to someone I know. There is a student I know whose father owned a frozen yogurt place, and had his son help out.

I would say many people don't take risks, don't want to take risks because it takes being willing to fail, being willing to put in time. Many people don't know how to start a business. Starting a business requires being willing to wait for the big windfall.

I actually tried to start a business this past summer in landscaping. Did I really want to do so? No. However, I felt like creating my own job would be the one way to get work quickly. It failed. I didn't have the investment necessary. I have bad credit, so I can't get a business loan. I tried this with a friend of mine. It didn't work. I feel like the best way to start a business, is for people to be able to turn to one another.
And maybe you tried to start off "too big" ?
One man business on the weekend while you still worked 9-5 during the week.

A lot of people don't think small enough.
This guy didn't get any loans and probably didn't need a business plan because he did it from the ground up.

I've been to his place (went to see the panels in person before I bought).
He's got property where he turned the barn into his workshop.
Welding and paint and inventory of pipe.

His pictures are of past jobs. He makes to order.
I don't know how he started out though with the initial stock of pipe..borrow from family ?

Treat your dream of owning a landscaping business as a hobby right now.
Do it on the weekends using your own stuff. Craigslist, cheap business cards, even some "free labor" to some small commercial places to start your word of mouth "rep".

My next door neighbor and his friend do fencing and tree trimming on the side.
They have a couple of chainsaws and a trailer and use of a tractor.
They've done plenty of work for me and I've given out their names to people looking for reasonably priced services. These commercial tree trimmers charge a fortune compared to my neighbor and his friend.
Both are retired and this is extra money for them.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 10:32 AM
 
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And maybe you tried to start off "too big" ?
One man business on the weekend while you still worked 9-5 during the week.

A lot of people don't think small enough.
This guy didn't get any loans and probably didn't need a business plan because he did it from the ground up.

I've been to his place (went to see the panels in person before I bought).
He's got property where he turned the barn into his workshop.
Welding and paint and inventory of pipe.

His pictures are of past jobs. He makes to order.
I don't know how he started out though with the initial stock of pipe..borrow from family ?

Treat your dream of owning a landscaping business as a hobby right now.
Do it on the weekends using your own stuff. Craigslist, cheap business cards, even some "free labor" to some small commercial places to start your word of mouth "rep".

My next door neighbor and his friend do fencing and tree trimming on the side.
They have a couple of chainsaws and a trailer and use of a tractor.
They've done plenty of work for me and I've given out their names to people looking for reasonably priced services. These commercial tree trimmers charge a fortune compared to my neighbor and his friend.
Both are retired and this is extra money for them.
In lieu of what I've read, I must inform you of this. I never liked the idea of going into landscaping. What made me try is that a friend of mind got me on it. I thought it would be easier because I figured the equipment would be easier.

At one point this year, I did some tutoring for someone.

I would rather do other things. I have a college education. I'm going back to school for a Civil Engineering degree in a few weeks. I am thinking to better myself that way, and learn more. Stuff I prefer to work with are geographic/geology related stuff. I like working with maps and GPS. I'm also trying to learn more stuff. I've been brainstorming lately of other things I could do. I've thought about self-publishing, writing a book(a very hard task as I keep getting writers block, but I keep on), going into green energy. The big issue for me is knowing how to start small, and even further, focusing on one thing at a time.

However, back on the subject of Black violence. I have an advantage because I have an education. However, I have other things to work on. However, with many who commit violence, there is a mentality of "lack of hope", "lack of goals", "live by the sword, die by the sword", "anger", and so many other problems. It often boils down to "lack of hope combined with nothing left to lose".
 
Old 12-24-2013, 10:47 AM
 
Location: DFW
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And maybe you tried to start off "too big" ?
One man business on the weekend while you still worked 9-5 during the week.

A lot of people don't think small enough.
This guy didn't get any loans and probably didn't need a business plan because he did it from the ground up.

I've been to his place (went to see the panels in person before I bought).
He's got property where he turned the barn into his workshop.
Welding and paint and inventory of pipe.
Ever talked to anyone from the old Russia ? The people forgot how to start businesses and work for themselves since the state provided their jobs and needed items. (and did a very bad job of it)
They had to completely re-learn a work ethic, how to sell a product and make a living.

Our Govt is following the path of the old Russian Socialist system by removing peoples knowledge on how to create their own wealth.

This is very evident in the poor welfare community.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 11:12 AM
 
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I would argue many don't mention African immigrants with PhD's because it doesn't fit with the idea of "Blacks are criminals and no-good people".
Exactly, if you are raised as a criminal, you will act like a criminal. Black males are raised as criminals. Rap music tells them there criminals, the cops tell there criminals, the media tells them there criminals, schools treat them like criminals, and employers treat them like criminals.

What do you expect? There parents (excuse me-- parent) aren't going to raise them, because they are working. Society raises them as lower class criminals and they turn out to be lower class criminals...
 
Old 12-24-2013, 11:28 AM
 
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Exactly, if you are raised as a criminal, you will act like a criminal. Black males are raised as criminals. Rap music tells them there criminals, the cops tell there criminals, the media tells them there criminals, schools treat them like criminals, and employers treat them like criminals.

What do you expect? There parents (excuse me-- parent) aren't going to raise them, because they are working. Society raises them as lower class criminals and they turn out to be lower class criminals...
Black men who grow up to be criminals are often raised to be like that. For the reasons you stated, it is important for both parents in the home, for both parents to raise the children the right way. It is important to tell such societal influences(i.e. the bad hip-hop music) to stick it somewhere. If I have a child, I will tell my child "these are the low expectations many people in society have for you. I expect and I want you to do MUCH BETTER. Defy the stereotypes, prove such persons wrong, make liars out of those who expect you be a criminal nobody. Don't internalize the very worst stereotypes expected of you. Look at Guion Bluford, first Black American astronaut. Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Black astrophysicist. Cornel West, Black intellectual. If those men can be something besides and athlete, singer, dancer, or the other stereotypes expected, so can you".
 
Old 12-24-2013, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Exactly, if you are raised as a criminal, you will act like a criminal. Black males are raised as criminals. Rap music tells them there criminals, the cops tell there criminals, the media tells them there criminals, schools treat them like criminals, and employers treat them like criminals.

What do you expect? There parents (excuse me-- parent) aren't going to raise them, because they are working. Society raises them as lower class criminals and they turn out to be lower class criminals...
Or bouncing in and out of jail themselves.
There's a lot of that going on.
I'm in the schools, I see it.
More often than not it's "grandma" doing the care taking.
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