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Old 08-27-2013, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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It is police's job to bring about safety. It is cheaper to send more cops on patrol as a preventive measure than to wait till the crime has happened, in which case you need to send expensive specialists to the crime scene, hunt the criminals, try them in court etc.
Apart from that if you have a home that looks worth breaking into, get a decent alarm system etc.



I just picked any of your numerous posts as I don't think it is worth answering them individually. I don't think freedom is inherently dangerous. I don't want to defend myself, I don't want society to allow situations where I would have to defend myself with violence. And what can I say, over here it works. I have not gotten in any dangerous situation in all of my life (I am in my mid-40's). I am happy we have a good police force which is obliged to guarantee safety. There is no need to invest so much money in a police which only cleans up after the damage is done.
The fewer arms out there, the better.
Try again. The job of the police is to enforce the law.


City says cops had no duty to protect subway hero Joseph Lozito who subdued killer Maksim Gelman and was stabbed seven times in process - NYPOST.com
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Old 08-27-2013, 06:26 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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They don't need to be, and they aren't. An increased presence in certain neighborhoods is enough.




Of course not, but it makes a robbery much less likely. Nor is there a reason why anyone should be hurt just because of a burglary.

Hey look, I'm like Mr. Miyagi for the most part in that I will only resort to force if there is a risk of myself or my family being harmed. However; if you break into my house, how am I to know your intentions? If you weren't invited, and it's not your house you do not belong! And quite honestly, I choose not to be a potential victim from some scumbag who doesn't value his own life from stealing from others! If he valued his life, he would be a productive member of society like the rest of us, and wouldn't be doing something that could potentially make him end up dead.
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Old 08-27-2013, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Italy
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Actually, Rick, you haven't proven anything. Many countries, such as Italy, are quite peaceful indeed, with no need for concealed handguns. People here don't feel safe because they have guns in their pockets. It's just a way of life that has no need to carry a pistol.

So IF it is true that having a concealed weapon in the US is the safest way to live, then you need to ask yourself why it is that Americans cannot get along with each other as other developed countries do.



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brian
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Old 08-27-2013, 06:27 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Using Japan, a country that ranks sixth in the world in terms of crime rate, is a pretty poor attempt to make the case for gun control and fails. Gus are also banned in England and Australia. How's that working out?

Violent crime worse in Britain than in US | Mail Online
Japan has corruption etc., but that is soft crime, Japan has little violent crime, the sixth-lowest murder rate in the world.
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Old 08-27-2013, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Which types of guns are "used more to defend against crime than perpetrate it?" Are you claiming all guns? Are you claiming hand guns?

I can't remember the last time I heard anyone claim that shotguns or most rifles should be limited. I am aware of many who argue for the limiting of hand guns because of their widespread use in the commission of crimes.

BTW, just out of curiosity, which would you say is a better tool for defense of home and property for most people, a shotgun or a hand gun?
Totally dependent on the situation. If you live in a house or apartment which places the master bedroom at the back of the dwelling and the children's rooms in between the master bedroom and the front door, a handgun would be preferable in order to avoid collateral damage. Otherwise, the intimidation factor alone of the shotgun speaks volumes for its effectiveness in home defense.
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Old 08-27-2013, 06:30 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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We have had that issue before. Someone said police has a different task now than they used to in the past. In the US that is. But in most places the police works differently than in the US.
Think of the bobbies in Britain, for instance.
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Old 08-27-2013, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Japan has corruption etc., but that is soft crime, Japan has little violent crime, the sixth-lowest murder rate in the world.
Japan also has a police force that has been repeatedly accused of falsifying reports in order to keep the crime rate artificially low.
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Old 08-27-2013, 06:34 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Actually, Rick, you haven't proven anything. Many countries, such as Italy, are quite peaceful indeed, with no need for concealed handguns. People here don't feel safe because they have guns in their pockets. It's just a way of life that has no need to carry a pistol.

So IF it is true that having a concealed weapon in the US is the safest way to live, then you need to ask yourself why it is that Americans cannot get along with each other as other developed countries do.



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brian
Same here Even though I suppose there are differences in Italy between Sicily and Milano, right?
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Old 08-27-2013, 06:37 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Japan also has a police force that has been repeatedly accused of falsifying reports in order to keep the crime rate artificially low.
Some falsifying happens in most places, but they would need full-time falsifiers to get such a low rate
Japan is a very densely populated country, with strict societal rules and rituals, there simply is no place for guns in such environments.
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Old 08-27-2013, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Italy
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Same here Even though I suppose there are differences in Italy between Sicily and Milano, right?
Yes, there are cultural differences. But Italians seem to share some basic core values. People I speak with from all around Italy say that firearms are just plain dangerous. There is no "need" to have a gun. (ie. it's an American value to have a need to carry a gun)

And if you go to France, or Switzerland, or Austria, or Holland, or England... I'd say just about anywhere here in Europe, you'll find the same "live and let live" mentality. Only the US has this obsession about guns.


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brian
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