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Old 09-05-2013, 07:19 PM
 
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A registration tax involves all guns, a sales tax only involves new gun and ammos sales only.
So by applying a tax only to new guns (which are most of the market), you're skirting this one. Got it.

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Also, there is currently a sales tax on guns and ammo in states that have sales taxes, and that is not an infringement either.
I hope you're not referring to the regular sales taxes in those states.

That being said, those taxes are low enough as to not be out of line with standard sales tax rates. Taxing ammunition at 50 percent is a massive jump.

This is being done for the purpose of impeding the common person's ability to purchase firearms.

Do you dispute that this is the intent?
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So by applying a tax only to new guns (which are most of the market), you're skirting this one. Got it.



I hope you're not referring to the regular sales taxes in those states.

That being said, those taxes are low enough as to not be out of line with standard sales tax rates. Taxing ammunition at 50 percent is a massive jump.

This is being done for the purpose of impeding the common person's ability to purchase firearms.

Do you dispute that this is the intent?
The one who proposed it probably did propose it with this intent. Also doesn't change the fact that a sales tax is not an infringement.
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:33 PM
 
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The one who proposed it probably did propose it with this intent. Also doesn't change the fact that a sales tax is not an infringement.
A sales tax can be an infringement just as easy as a registration tax or a poll tax. Your line in the sand is created only out of your dishonest reasoning to support your own bias.

When you pass a tax for the sole purpose of impeding one's ability to exercise a right, you're doing the same as you'd be doing by requiring voting tests from people you know can't pass them.

It's good to know that you all really are willing to stoop as low as to delude not only everyone else, but yourselves.
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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A sales tax can be an infringement just as easy as a registration tax or a poll tax. Your line in the sand is created only out of your dishonest reasoning to support your own bias.

When you pass a tax for the sole purpose of impeding one's ability to exercise a right, you're doing the same as you'd be doing by requiring voting tests from people you know can't pass them.

It's good to know that you all really are willing to stoop as low as to delude not only everyone else, but yourselves.
It doesn't infringe your rights because it doesn't tax all guns because currently sales taxes on guns don't infringe on your right. You can not like an increase in taxes on the sale of guns all you want, that is fair, but it isn't an infringement of any rights.

A voting test is an infringement because it would be for all people that vote, much like a gun registration tax is also illegal. Also, you can't go to a voting booth and purchase a vote, so that is not the same as going to the store and purchasing a gun.
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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It doesn't infringe your rights because it doesn't tax all guns because currently sales taxes on guns don't infringe on your right. You can not like an increase in taxes on the sale of guns all you want, that is fair, but it isn't an infringement of any rights.

A voting test is an infringement because it would be for all people that vote, much like a gun registration tax is also illegal. Also, you can't go to a voting booth and purchase a vote, so that is not the same as going to the store and purchasing a gun.
So its ok to tax certain guns? so I take it would always be ok to tax certain people and certain rights...
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So its ok to tax certain guns? so I take it would always be ok to tax certain people and certain rights...
As in certain guns, you mean through a sales tax, then yes, that is ok. Which certain rights are you referring to that also involve the sale of items?
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:21 PM
 
Location: texas
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So a $10 ID is too much to spend to vote and violates a civil right, but 11% tax on every gun and 50% tax on ammunition and $500 transfer fee for certain guns is ok?
maybe the state should provide subsidized ammo for the poor.
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:23 PM
 
Location: texas
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So its ok to tax certain guns? so I take it would always be ok to tax certain people and certain rights...
Exactly. An automatic weapon is a special weapon, needing special regulations. That has already been accepted and practiced.
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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As in certain guns, you mean through a sales tax, then yes, that is ok. Which certain rights are you referring to that also involve the sale of items?
so its ok to tax a short barrel shotgun, but not ok to tax the same shotgun just with a difference of length barrel? yeah that makes sense...
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Exactly. An automatic weapon is a special weapon, needing special regulations. That has already been accepted and practiced.
How are the special?


And no, the "special regulations"(and make no mistake they are "special" in nature") has lead to a ban on all new manufacturing of machine guns for private citizens since may 19, 1986. so by Special Regulations you mean bans.
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