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Old 08-27-2013, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You see charter schools don't have to put up with the mandated BS of the Fed Gov or Dept of Education.
And more are opting for charter schools these days.
The Fed is trying to kill this movement before it gets off the ground.

They are also trying to squash the homeschooling movement as well.

Yes, it is all about "preserving" the monopoly called public education.
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Old 08-27-2013, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Exactly!

I'm betting that the parents of these Black kids think this is fantastic....not a reenactment of Jim Crow (how over the top is that talking point anyhow?).

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How the DOJ is equating "choice" with Jim Crow is beyond me.
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Old 08-27-2013, 01:20 PM
 
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Shows you the true colors of this government.

It's not about letting Americans better themselves that's for sure.

Public school is a government monopoly.
There is no other competition with free government public education.

Charter/voucher is the only alternative.
If you have no competition then you can do whatever you want and are not held accountable.

OECD standings has the US at #17 overall, #32 in Math and #23 in Science (2009).
PISA 2012 results won't come out until 12/2013.
But each PISA report (3 years) has us sinking lower and lower.
The PISA scores were covered in another thread. It isn't so much that the USA is doing worse and worse, but that we have a larger and larger Hispanic and black population bringing our average down.

Math 2006
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2008/2008016.pdf

Pg 12, 15,
US average: 474
OECD avg: 498

Asian: 499
White: 523
Hispanic: 439
Black: 409

Reading 2009
Table R3 pg 15.
US average: 500
OECD average: 493

Asian: 541
White: 525
Hispanic: 441
Black: 466

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2011/2011004_1.pdf

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Old 08-27-2013, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I heard John Fund interviewed today, and he made an interesting comparison. In the 50's and 60's when schools were being integrated, racist politicians (invariably democrat) were standing at the school doors keeping blacks out. Today, politicians (once again invariably D) stand at public school doors, keeping blacks in.
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Old 08-27-2013, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The PISA scores were covered in another thread. It isn't so much that the USA is doing worse and worse, but that we have a larger and larger Hispanic and black population bringing our average down.
And that becomes a moot point when the US has decided that mass college education will be put on 100% of the school population.

We did this to ourselves. Other countries track and have academic/vocational paths.
Only the academic tracks take the PISA.
But the US has 100% of their students on the academic track so this is what we get.

The other countries are not only catching up but surpassing us.

Just remember those low scoring students are in the same class as the ones who accel and the teaching is to the lowest common denominator.
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Old 08-27-2013, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Originally Posted by lycos679 View Post
The PISA scores were covered in another thread. It isn't so much that the USA is doing worse and worse, but that we have a larger and larger Hispanic and black population bringing our average down.

Math 2006
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2008/2008016.pdf

Pg 12, 15,
US average: 474
OECD avg: 498

Asian: 499
White: 523
Hispanic: 439
Black: 409

Reading 2009
Table R3 pg 15.
US average: 500
OECD average: 493

Asian: 541
White: 525
Hispanic: 441
Black: 466

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2011/2011004_1.pdf
A couple months ago I heard an official from the BC (Canada) education system interviewed. He pointed out that they have just as much racial diversity in their schools as in US schools. Yet they are consistently in the top 5-10 in world PISA rankings. US is consistently in the mid 20's.
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Old 08-27-2013, 01:25 PM
 
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Holder and Obama are worthless when will people wake up they don't care about kids either blac or white
they care about themselves well I am sure the governor of La is ready for them he is very smart and I have a feeling this is going to bite Holder in the ass
I say
bring it on!!
I would love to see Jindal run for pres
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Old 08-27-2013, 01:29 PM
 
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And that becomes a moot point when the US has decided that mass college education will be put on 100% of the school population.

We did this to ourselves. Other countries track and have academic/vocational paths.
Only the academic tracks take the PISA.
But the US has 100% of their students on the academic track so this is what we get.

The other countries are not only catching up but surpassing us.
Which again doesn't change the fact that Hispanic Americans outperformed Latin American students and black Americans outperformed Trinidad. Asian American students were outperformed by Shanghai students in Reading and Japan and Korea in math.

I wouldn't use the public school system, but it isn't as dire as you make it out to be.
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Old 08-27-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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Holder wants the Blacks back in public school because of desegregation laws.

It's about keeping schools integrated with the right mix of skin colors.
It's NOT about the kids and their parent's choice of education.
It never is.

Even at the university level, it's all about the diversity ratios.
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Old 08-27-2013, 01:36 PM
 
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A couple months ago I heard an official from the BC (Canada) education system interviewed. He pointed out that they have just as much racial diversity in their schools as in US schools. Yet they are consistently in the top 5-10 in world PISA rankings. US is consistently in the mid 20's.
He was wrong, Canada is over 80% white vs 63% for the USA and their largest minority group is Asian. If we can get Hispanics to perform at the same level as Asians our numbers would jump overnight.
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