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Old 08-27-2013, 03:36 PM
 
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The voucher program has been in place for 5 years and has been working.


And the more I read about NOLA public schools the more I back the voucher schools.

NOLA "lost" $17 million. And gave themselves pretty good salaries and raises with government grant money.
And they even tried to get the charters to move under the school board but several say they cannot afford to to that with their given budgets (they have caps on their salaries while school board doesn't).

Looks to me like more Fed money is wasted and outright lost with the current NOLA public school system.
I would say that the school board tried every which way to get the charters into their fold and turned to the DOJ when they wouldn't budge.

This article is from last year:
Money, control and perception are keys as charters consider switch to Orleans Parish School Board | The Lens
Yep, our public school systems need better management, which I just talked about. We need professional managers running these systems, not people who have simply hung around education for great lengths of time.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:37 PM
 
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Yes....none of that (the grade level of the kids ) is mentioned although it does say all their tuition is paid. So then, you admit you made a negative about something you actually know nothing about. Before you trash something based on certain grounds, be sure you know what you're talking about.

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Old 08-27-2013, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yep, our public school systems need better management, which I just talked about. We need professional managers running these systems, not people who have simply hung around education for great lengths of time.
I really think the charters are giving them a wakeup call.
Holder can't kill all the charters popping up all over the country..he's too busy squashing voter ID laws

And the smear job on charters originates from the public school system.
You have to look beyond that.

Sure there are some bad charters but there are also some bad public schools.
And charters don't get never-ending government money. They have to stay within their budgets.
Teacher salaries are lower as well as administrative staff.
And charters can expel and have waiting lists of students ready to take their place.

The charters are a threat to public education. Now if only public education would wake up and fix their problems rather than work to shut down the charters.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:42 PM
 
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I really think the charters are giving them a wakeup call.
Holder can't kill all the charters popping up all over the country..he's too busy squashing voter ID laws

And the smear job on charters originates from the public school system.
You have to look beyond that.

Sure there are some bad charters but there are also some bad public schools.
And charters don't get never-ending government money. They have to stay within their budgets.
Teacher salaries are lower as well as administrative staff.

The charters are a threat to public education. Now if only public education would wake up and fix their problems rather than work to shut down the charters.
I have never derided charter schools nor private schools. If someone wants to send their kid to one, I am all for it. It changes when we talk about using taxpayer dollars to subsidize sending kids to private schools. I believe there are ways we can fix public schools without going that route.

BTW, I am also for school choice in public education. If you want to send your kid to another public school, I support it.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:43 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I really hate to say this, but minorities got a better education, when everything was freely segregated.

What has happened since desegregation? The suburbs and separate school districts. Everything has gone right back to be like it was, before desegregation busing.

What it did do is turn once nice affluent neighborhoods, into old folks homes. as those kids being bused to minority schools, moved.
Look now when families are relocating, the major factor is the school.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:45 PM
 
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Last time I checked, the stipends here were entirely insufficient.

Public support will wane if more and more poor families take advantage of this, primarily from the folks on here, incessantly complaining about the poor stealing money from their pockets.
I don't know anything about the cost, but most charter and private schools spend less per student and perform at least as well as public schools. The expense is usually related to the administration and their $100K-$200K salaries. Of course, the private school salaries don't publish their info, so maybe the admins make $100K+ in the private system as well.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I have never derided charter schools nor private schools. If someone wants to send their kid to one, I am all for it. It changes when we talk about using taxpayer dollars to subsidize sending kids to private schools. I believe there are ways we can fix public schools without going that route.

BTW, I am also for school choice in public education. If you want to send your kid to another public school, I support it.
We have 10+ years of NCLB which didn't work.
Or maybe it did..we went from #2 in the world to #18.
Now we have RTT and Common Core which is worse than NCLB.

The folks in charge are not interested in fixing what they broke.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:46 PM
 
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Unless everyone gets a voucher this type of program should not be allowed.
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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I have never derided charter schools nor private schools. If someone wants to send their kid to one, I am all for it. It changes when we talk about using taxpayer dollars to subsidize sending kids to private schools. I believe there are ways we can fix public schools without going that route.

BTW, I am also for school choice in public education. If you want to send your kid to another public school, I support it.
Really?

You only equated them to Jim Crow laws....

Perhaps you were endorsing them and I simply misread your meaning:

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Giving poor kids an insufficient stipend to ship them off to for-profit schools does not amount to "helping disadvantaged students."

Between prison and "school choice," right-wingers have stumbled upon a much more effective means of segregating the races than Jim Crow laws. On top of it, they get to privatize even more and try to chip away at the basic precept of American culture, that everyone is entitled to a free and public education.

Again, the reasons for my hatred...
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I really hate to say this, but minorities got a better education, when everything was freely segregated.

What has happened since desegregation? The suburbs and separate school districts. Everything has gone right back to be like it was, before desegregation busing.

What it did do is turn once nice affluent neighborhoods, into old folks homes. as those kids being bused to minority schools, moved.
Look now when families are relocating, the major factor is the school.
It's become the deciding factor over the home itself.
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