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View Poll Results: How should we get involved?
Not at all! No way, no how, we won't be fooled again! 61 83.56%
Boots on the ground baby! 1 1.37%
Air superiority only - No Fly and Missiles 6 8.22%
Nuke the place, and apologise for the mistake. Oops, wrong button! Obama could sell it! 5 6.85%
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The average American does not give a s*** about Syria. And it is hard telling which side used chemical weapons and why should we care? Let them fight it out and kill each other we have our own problems and do not need Syria adding to them.
It's a little late for that sentiment.
We've been directly involved in Syria since 2011.
CIA covert operations funded by us. Revealed thanks to wikileaks.
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:38 AM
 
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Fair enough comments

I think the Syrian government have enough examples to know the US "isn't kidding" so I have to refute that as a motive.

As for more Arab sympathy, to be frank it hasn't helped against the US in the last decade, a lot to loose for little gain.

I would offer another possibility, the Syrian government staged the attack in a effort to make it look like someone is trying to frame them (as in we would be nuts to do it, see how far the rebels will go).

However all the above is FAR to much of a risk for small gain, its nearly certainly the rebels, the Assad regime easily have the most to loose.
Can we get past this nonsense already?

1) both the US and israel have already come public about electronic intercepts captured from syrian government officials that shows they are responsible for the attacks. Read something besides MSNBC and you might learn something.

2) only the syrian regime - NOT THE REBELS - have the types and quantities of rockets to have implemented an attack on multiple areas simultaneously of Damascus, sustained for several hours. That is thousands of rockets and large-scale mortar rounds modified to carry incendiary materials, not conventional explosives. The rebels DO NOT HAVE THESE TYPES of rockets, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

3) as for motivation, how much intelligence does it take to grasp that in almost 3 YEARS of slaughtering its citizens, with multiple large-scale massacres at houla, deraa, baniya, and latakia, amongst other places - the West has done NOTHING. Why would assad be concerned whether the UN was having its annual barbecue in syria while it conducts attacks like this when the world has sat on its hands all this time? They JUST DON'T CARE . Assad has the backing of 2/5 of the UNSC, which provides him infinite political cover for doing what he wants. There is no doubt in my mind that putin and iran gave him the go-ahead to conduct these types of attacks, since he has been implementing ever larger chemical attacks for months, none of which received a Western response.
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:51 AM
 
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Can we get past this nonsense already?

1) both the US and israel have already come public about electronic intercepts captured from syrian government officials that shows they are responsible for the attacks. Read something besides MSNBC and you might learn something.

2) only the syrian regime - NOT THE REBELS - have the types and quantities of rockets to have implemented an attack on multiple areas simultaneously of Damascus, sustained for several hours. That is thousands of rockets and large-scale mortar rounds modified to carry incendiary materials, not conventional explosives. The rebels DO NOT HAVE THESE TYPES of rockets, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

3) as for motivation, how much intelligence does it take to grasp that in almost 3 YEARS of slaughtering its citizens, with multiple large-scale massacres at houla, deraa, baniya, and latakia, amongst other places - the West has done NOTHING. Why would assad be concerned whether the UN was having its annual barbecue in syria while it conducts attacks like this when the world has sat on its hands all this time? They JUST DON'T CARE . Assad has the backing of 2/5 of the UNSC, which provides him infinite political cover for doing what he wants. There is no doubt in my mind that putin and iran gave him the go-ahead to conduct these types of attacks, since he has been implementing ever larger chemical attacks for months, none of which received a Western response.
And here you are trusting this corrupt government without actually seeing the evidence.
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:58 AM
 
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The rebels are the top suspects as they easily have the biggest motives.

Assad has a motive NOT to do it, why the hell would he want to give the West a reason for striking.


The Pentagon seems to believe the American public are utterly stupid and don't have any ability to think for themselves, lets hope this time they are proven wrong.
The Syrian military does not need to resort to chemical weapons, they have proven that they can kill 100,000 civilians with conventional weapons. There does not seem to be any tactical advantage for the military to use chemical weapons.

BTW, we are not even being told what chemical weapons were used, nor how they were delivered. We are only being fed rudimentary information and asked to use our imaginations to fill in the blanks.

There is no pressing immediate threat here, we have plenty of time to decide what to do, once we know for sure what the truth is.

Watch the Obama admin, if they are all rush-rush-rush, hurry-hurry-hurry, now-now-now, then we should all be smelling a rat, and do our best to put the brakes on this new escalation in violence.
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And here you are trusting this corrupt government without actually seeing the evidence.
Some people will never wake up so don't even bother.
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:05 AM
 
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Can we get past this nonsense already?

1) both the US and israel have already come public about electronic intercepts captured from syrian government officials that shows they are responsible for the attacks. Read something besides MSNBC and you might learn something.

2) only the syrian regime - NOT THE REBELS - have the types and quantities of rockets to have implemented an attack on multiple areas simultaneously of Damascus, sustained for several hours. That is thousands of rockets and large-scale mortar rounds modified to carry incendiary materials, not conventional explosives. The rebels DO NOT HAVE THESE TYPES of rockets, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

3) as for motivation, how much intelligence does it take to grasp that in almost 3 YEARS of slaughtering its citizens, with multiple large-scale massacres at houla, deraa, baniya, and latakia, amongst other places - the West has done NOTHING. Why would assad be concerned whether the UN was having its annual barbecue in syria while it conducts attacks like this when the world has sat on its hands all this time? They JUST DON'T CARE . Assad has the backing of 2/5 of the UNSC, which provides him infinite political cover for doing what he wants. There is no doubt in my mind that putin and iran gave him the go-ahead to conduct these types of attacks, since he has been implementing ever larger chemical attacks for months, none of which received a Western response.
The rebels are controlled by terrorist regimes.

Back Assad.

A Dictator is easier to deal with than religious fanatics.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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because 'opinion' and 'perception' are what help to make the facts factual

example one:
several months ago there was a gas/chemical attack on civilians in Syria, the admin thought it was the regeme, but FACT shows that it was the rebels
No, reality is what makes facts factual. I think you may not understand what a fact is.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:34 AM
 
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And here you are trusting this corrupt government without actually seeing the evidence.
Unlike you, I get my news almost exclusively from the foreign press, and the israelis had already publicly disclosed having electronically captured high level regime officers admitting culpability by the time john kerry - who i would not trust to admit humans breathe - had made his affirmation statements.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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The Syrian military does not need to resort to chemical weapons, they have proven that they can kill 100,000 civilians with conventional weapons. There does not seem to be any tactical advantage for the military to use chemical weapons.
Where the hell do people come up with this nonsense? How many soldiers on your own side are killed to kill off an enemy? Chem weapons means large-scale killing without endangering your own troops, and does not deplete your stocks of conventional weapons. Why do you think these weapons were created, because they are LESS effective than conventional?

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BTW, we are not even being told what chemical weapons were used, nor how they were delivered. We are only being fed rudimentary information and asked to use our imaginations to fill in the blanks.
Read the news, its all there for those willing to look...

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There is no pressing immediate threat here, we have plenty of time to decide what to do, once we know for sure what the truth is.
So fine, wait 2 weeks for the UN team to confirm what we already know, and give assad time to shore up his defenses, brilliant strategy.

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Watch the Obama admin, if they are all rush-rush-rush, hurry-hurry-hurry, now-now-now, then we should all be smelling a rat, and do our best to put the brakes on this new escalation in violence.
Yes, because you're such a fantastic military strategist that you have a far superior plan waiting to be implemented
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:43 AM
 
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The rebels are controlled by terrorist regimes.
And what would you call iran and russia?

They are far more problematic than a few thousand jihadists armed with ak47s. I'd rather deal with and crush iran and stop its much more dangerous state terrorism than al qaeda, who is a poodle in comparison.

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Back Assad. A Dictator is easier to deal with than religious fanatics.
No thanks, I'd rather support the (mostly) indigenous syrian rebels fighting for their freedom from a 40-year inherited assad kingdom in their time of need, even if because of our awful president, we are so late to the game. Especially if it hurts iran and hezbollah.
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