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Old 08-28-2013, 01:41 PM
 
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do you think the blacks and the browns are voting for the betterment of mankind, or do you think they are voting for their own self interests?

 
Old 08-28-2013, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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Originally Posted by xray731 View Post
Why do you feel the need to keep the race baiting issue open? If anything Conservatives are ambivalent because many of the issues facing minority communities are addressed with band-aid solution making them more dependent on a gov't instead of treating them as equals. So who's oppressing who?

I'm not conservative - nor am I liberal - but from reading the forums for the past year - I see a lot of name calling - primarily from libs - race baiting - prim by libs - refusal or ignorance in answering questions posed to them - libs. You think they are supportive of civil rights but most have no clue as to why they support it.

Is there still racism - yes - but the racism I think is more one sided - blacks against whites because they are told how much the Rep or Conservatives are trying to keep them down. Everyone no matter what your race or skin color has every opportunity available to them - if they choose not to use it - you can't blame Conservatives.
Oh but... it's so convenient to paint us Conservative thinkers (I'm NOT a Republican, btw, nor am I a liberal) as culturally limited, racist thinkers, wanting to keep the "minorities" down! What a load of biased crud!

Amazing what the lib-left has perpetrated in the name of fact.

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Ever stop to think that the government is incapable of solving these issues and that people are capable of solving their own problems without government guidance???

This is something I've noticed: People on the left are so untrusting of their fellow man they look to government to control people's lives in an attempt to force them to behave as they see fit--something that baffles me. (And I'm not just talking about race. They do this with virtually every aspect of our lives.)

It's my belief that government purposely causes racial strife in order to obtain votes and power. If they stayed out of it things would be much better.

I'm not a conservative either but they are not ambivalent about voting rights or civil rights. Non-white people vote by the millions every election. Why do liberals keep talking about a problem that doesn't exist? To perpetuate this myth that certain people (minorities) are not intelligent enough to make it on their own. Then the same liberal acts like they are "enlightened" after basically calling an entire group of people incompetent. Like I said, politicians are the root of the racial problems in this country.
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40 years of liberal social policies have destroyed the black community, continue for another 40?

Let me ask you something, you're referring to things like voter ID when you say this?

I say to all races we need voter ID to help prevent voter fraud and these laws are going to apply to every individual equally. A liberal says to the black community this is a racist policy, you're incapable of getting an ID for no other reason than being black. Who's the racist?
I agree. This resistance to a very simple procedure is clear evidence that the left cannot stand the idea of having a simple proof of US citizenship. You have to have it for a passport, even a driver's license in some of the states that border on Mexico. Or for various other requirements. Not hard to get. And what if the state or Feds provided it for free?

Can you imagine what would happen to the lib-left if they lost this lot of dependent voters they have bought?

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You can't show any evidence of voter fraud, can you? Because none exists. But you are in favor of voter disenfranchisement, one step at a time.

You create a problem where none exists.
Seems so, but still, what's the big problem with having to acquire proof of citizenship? What possible damage? How hard can it be, except if you cannot speak or read English, or are worried about the truth, Citizenship should, obviously, be an absolute requirement for entry into these United States.

As well, why have to print everything in Spanish? It's costly, just like the ridiculous requirements for Canada to do the double-speak that mandated French language dance, even on cereal boxes!

Now then, as for missingatlanta's claim here:

"Almost 60% of welfare goes to whites so yes they are the main recipients. " I'll challenge that with this:

Welfare Statistics | Statistic Brain

Actually, this info clearly indicates that ≈60% are non-whites!

As well, check out just how much of our Federal (i.e.: my tax dollars, certainly not from any GEP types (Ghetto Entitlement Parasites) is "doled out" to these parasitics? No wonder they love the welfare lifestyle. As does our voter-dependent Federal Liberal government!

Hmmm... WOW! $1.32 Billion per year! How very generous we are to so many in that cohort who choose to NOT work!

How do I get onto that list? I'm even disabled! I suppose I never considered sucking of those who do the real sweat-inducing workload, huh?
 
Old 08-28-2013, 01:46 PM
 
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And after that we compassionate conservative and moderate Republicans eventually became Democrats when our party became the party of religious reactionaries and self-centered greed-mongers, and after the Democratic Party became the only significant bulwark against the racism, sexism and general callous disregard of others, i.e., that which became the foundation and only real tenet of the GOP.

Again I disagree - many of the programs proposed and suggested by Democrats has only continued racism and not made them equal in the eyes of American people but dependent on those of us who work and pay taxes. Sexism - that's a laugh with our last President taking clear advantage of a female intern in the White House no less as well as many political figures in the party. Callous disregard of others - as experienced by our present Commander in Chief and his clear disregard for the families of the Benghazi incident. Again you got it wrong.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The judge found evidence that 1678 votes had been illegally cast. These were either dead people who voted, felons, or people who voted more than once. But the judge said that there was no way to know how the illegal votes affected the tally, so he let the result stand.

There were also 50,000 'enhanced ballots' in King County, or about 15% of votes cast in King County. These were ballots that were improperly filled out (e.g. voting for two candidates in the same race), and were hand examined to divine voter intent. One such ballot was noted where a voter wrote in "Christine Rossi" and checked the oval for Christine Gregoire. That vote was counted for dem candidate Gregoire.
Sound Politics: Ukraine Follies

In closing, let me predict that I will never get a response back. Instead, it will be the classic skedaddle.
From post #30. And my closing prediction was right.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 01:54 PM
 
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Like I said earlier, white conservatives just don't like black people.

You have white conservatives on this forum who have been trolling about MLK all day long, one reducing MLK to just being a soundbite and not worthy of any praise.

You group blacks by what a few do, I group white conservatives by what other white conservatives do.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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This is one of the most idiotic things I've ever read. If you are discriminated against in the workplace it absolutely can hold you back in life. Not to mention even at jobs I've had it's been obvious discrimination against promoting minorities and women into upper management even if you are the best at your job.

The problem is many people who are aren't for civil rights issues are ignorant to the things that other people experience. They feel like because things are good for them, they must be good for everyone and are oblivious to the real world.
^^This, exactly.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 01:56 PM
 
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This is one of the most idiotic things I've ever read. If you are discriminated against in the workplace it absolutely can hold you back in life. Not to mention even at jobs I've had it's been obvious discrimination against promoting minorities and women into upper management even if you are the best at your job.

The problem is many people who are aren't for civil rights issues are ignorant to the things that other people experience. They feel like because things are good for them, they must be good for everyone and are oblivious to the real world.

Going to disagree with this one too - because in my experience, I've seen more accomplished people not get an advancement because they have not met their quota for women and minorities. So you can't say that your statement is a reflection of businesses. There have been many people who have suffered because of reverse discrimination.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 01:58 PM
 
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Why are you making such a stupid generalization?

I tend to be on the conservative side on most issues but I'm not racist and have no problem with interracial couples. I support it. There are also many minorities who are Republicans too.

Also the "liberals" today are not the same as the liberals in the past, same goes for conservatives. The people who fought for freedom of people in the past were Republicans, these are the same people that supported what the country was founded on, these people were called liberals of their day and are now the conservatives of today. The Democrats were for slavery and against equal rights, they were the conservatives of their day, such people are now gone so the Democrats reinvented themselves. Today's liberals and Democrats are based more on socialist European and cultural Marxism.

Conservatives and Republicans are what the liberals used to be. Liberal simply means wanting to change tradition. Well they did and now they are trying to preserve their traditional values now, hence why they are called conservatives today. Conservatives base our values on the Constitution, low taxes, and strong social values that we believe create the best society. Simply look at the Miley Cyrus incident to see why our nation needs conservatives now more than ever.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 01:58 PM
 
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Why are conservatives so ambivalent toward minorities and racial issues?
Strawman. Republicans (if that's what you mean by "conservative") have always been supportive of the Civil Rights movement while Democrats fought against it with their racist Jim Crow laws. The so-called conservative Red States are actually more racially diverse than the most liberal, Bluest states in the north. Religious conservatives are in personal contact with minorities every day far more than Seattle or San Francisco's white liberals.

You obviously don't know many conservatives (or Republicans, they are not necessarily the same thing). My one advice to you is to try to open your mind and expand your circle of friends. It's beneficial for people of different backgrounds, life experiences, and ideologies to mix and democratically discuss their thoughts and ideas about how the world works.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jmqueen View Post
Please produce proof. Specifically, documented numbers of illegal voting. Not one individual case, which cons love to quote, but overall numbers compared to the number of ballots cast.

Thanks.

Since you're too lazy to do it yourself here:

Ohio Poll Worker Sent to Prison for Illegal Voting, More Cases Pending

The Cutting Edge News

» Left Ignores Facts, Claim No Illegal Immigrants Voting in US Elections Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

I could go on - but there you are. Not only is their fraud by the people but by the parties themselves and that is why every American should be outraged and support this.
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