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View Poll Results: Official GOP position?
Climate change is not happening 7 18.92%
Climate change is happening, but not man-made 28 75.68%
Climate change is happening, man made, but we shouldn't do anything about it 1 2.70%
Climate change is happening, and man made, but the free market should take care of it 1 2.70%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-29-2013, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Over the last 3-4 years it seems the republican position on climate change has been very fluid and for the most part unclear, while the democrat position has been very consistent and extremely clear for as long as I can remember (going back to the al gore days).

What is the clear consensus on climate change among republicans? Or is there one?

the fact is that climate change happens , and has happened many, many times...the mojavie desert was once a furtile lush land...florida was once totally under water, long island new york was CREATED by a glacier, greenland was once very green and furtile...as was antartica


most republicans understand that climate change happens...there is NOTHING we can do about it...and we have not CAUSED it


most liberals want to think man is the cause of everything, and the solution is a tax
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Old 08-29-2013, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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They continue to deny science and spin ridiculous conspiracy theories, all the while practicing serial projection by accusing scientists of being part of some vast, world wide conspiracy.
the only ones denying science is the freaking liberals

who deny's climate change???

everyone knows (and its scientificly proven) that climate has changed many, many times

and yet NOT ONE scientist has proven MANMADE global warming

the globe evolves..the global enviroment changes..periodicly...there have been WARMER TIMES..there have been cooler times..there have been times when C02 was MUCH, MUCH higher

science shows that humans use oxygen and expele (exhale) co2

science shows that greenery (plantlife) uses co2 and expeles o2

science shows that co2 levels have been 3 times HIGHER than they are today, in the past (ie the co2 325 of today is is much lower than the 750-10000 that co2 levels were 100,000 years ago

science shows us that the earth has warmed AND cooled many times

science shows us that ANTARTICA was once a lush furtile land, not covered in ice

science shows us that greenland was once a green lush furtile land, not covered with ice

science shows us that GLACIERS created many of the geographical features that we look at today (ie Long Island was made by the lower reaching of graciers, the great lakes were created by glaciers, the grand canyon was created by glacial melting)

science shows us that plants would grow much better, and use less water if the co2 was HIGHER...around 700-1500ppm compared to the current 320ppm


The typical outdoor air we breathe contains 0.03 - 0.045% (300 - 450 ppm) CO2. Research (SCIENCE) demonstrates that optimum growth and production for most plants occur between 1200 - 1500 ppm CO2. These optimum CO2 levels can boost plant metabolism, growth and yield by 25 - 60%.Plants under effective CO2 enrichment and management display thicker, lush green leaves, an abundance of fragrant fruit and flowers, and stronger, more vigorous roots. CO2 enriched plants grow rapidly and must also be supplied with the other five "essential elements" to ensure proper development and a plentiful harvest.



science shows As CO2 is a critical component of growth, plants in environments with inadequate CO2 levels - below 225 ppm - will cease to grow or produce.

SCIENCE shows that plants exposed to elevated CO2 concentrations are likely to lose less water via transpiration



common sense states that as the earths polulation expands, so does the need for more plantlife...to keep our oxygen levels up.............yet the global warming liberals only want to talk about car/industry exaust; man created co2,.... and how to tax it


why do liberals DENY science???...because with the science they cant get their TAX..so they manipulate the science
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:20 AM
 
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There were no such emails. There were emails that denialists claimed showed this, but these claims were shown to be false. You see, right-wingers have to posit these hoax theories so they don't have to admit to themselves that they support a party of blithering idiots.

Right-wing denialists accuse scientists of fraud when their findings contradict Republican talking points, it's as simple as that.
Hockey Stick? Hell, he inverted the tjander proxy knowing damn well it was not used that way by tjander.

I know, know...

blah blah... rightwing, blah blah, consensus, blah blah, deniers, blah blah, idiots, blah blah blah....

Ok Henry!

Second verse, same as the first!
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:21 AM
 
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There are plenty of Republicans who think we should be doing something about climate change:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/op...er=rss&emc=rss

Most Republicans don't agree with their party's official position on climate change:
A National Survey of Republicans and Republican-*
Looks like another consensus folks! The science is settled!

/shakes hands
/kisses a baby
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:24 AM
 
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Science isn't settled thru consensus anymore then a math problem is settled thru consensus.
Agreed, but they can't argue the science, so they get destroyed in other areas, like not knowing their head from their arse when it comes to applying statistical evaluation.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:27 AM
 
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I'm sure Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, and James Inhofe would agree with you. Possibly the crazy homeless guy down on the corner would too. People with informed opinions would not agree with you, though.
Quick, run back to SS.com (skeptical science), talk to the Furor Cook, have him poll himself and his buddies, then he can give you the real info on what is going on.



Herr Cook, Expert Consensus Statistician
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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The denialists say that CO2 concentrations were higher in the past, which is true. But they also claim this is relevant to the effect our pumping vast amounts of CO2 into the air has today, which is not.

Unless they think we emit magical CO2 of the sort that miraculously doesn't trap heat. I suppose this is possible, denialists will make up all sorts of reasons to pretend their talking points are supported by facts and reality.

"But plants like CO2!" Ha, yeah, that's a pretty good argument. Up there with Inhofe's arguments.
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Old 08-29-2013, 11:16 AM
 
Location: On the border of off the grid
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I'm sure Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, and James Inhofe would agree with you. Possibly the crazy homeless guy down on the corner would too. People with informed opinions would not agree with you, though.
People who pay attention to science and facts and don't subscribe to the UN/NWO false agenda of global taxation via a carbon emission scheme, understand that what man does or doesn't do on this planet doesn't amount to a hill of beans one way or the other. Climate and weather change. Progressives need to stop with their "The Sky is Falling!" BS and just encourage clean living habits, for individuals, corporations and government ..... VOLUNTARY compliance because not making things dirtier is just a more righteous way of living. As a girl scout, we were always told to leave a place cleaner and nicer than you found it.
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Old 08-29-2013, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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People who pay attention to science and facts and don't subscribe to the UN/NWO false agenda of global taxation via a carbon emission scheme,
Will they collect these taxes in their black helicopters? You remind me of Alex Jones and Glenn Beck and James Inhofe.


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understand that what man does or doesn't do on this planet doesn't amount to a hill of beans one way or the other.
Tell that to all the people suffering from smallpox today.

I've seen many right-wingers deny that man can affect his environment. I have no reason to think these claims are true. You guys say it's impossible, that it's obvious, etc. No evidence ever is given. Denialists blather on about how climate change is natural but are unable to identify the natural cause that is making temperatures go up. Denialist claims are unsupported by facts and without merit.
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Old 08-29-2013, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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oh please

the earth is emerging from an ice age.

Some scientists say that we are technically sill in an ice age since our polar caps are still frozen.

An ice age is defined as a period where there is ice at the poles, so, technically, we are still in an ice age.

Plainly, there have been periods in the Earth’s history when there was no ice at the poles and the temperature was *much* warmer than it is today, and these periods are generally associated with phases of peak biodiversity (i.e. it was good for life).

So, the current warming we are experiencing is nothing unusual and nothing to worry about.


The earth's temperature does fluctuate and has done so throughout it's history, but such fluctuations have also caused many mass-extinctions as a result.
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