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Old 08-30-2013, 04:58 PM
 
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But there are opportunities out there that whites have not taken advantage of and I dare say that there are opportunities out there that you have not taken advantage of either. Can some people be better positioned to take advantage of opportunities than others? What argument would the white upper class have for the white middle class in regards to why the white middle class have not taken advantage of the opportunities that could have made them upper class? Why are not middle class whites upper class whites? Is it because they are lazier, not as smart, more irresponsible and not willing to take advantage of opportunities? Are Middle Class whites inferior to upper class whites in natural ability....or is something else the reason that separates the white classes?
Can someone someone answer these questions?
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Old 08-30-2013, 05:11 PM
 
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That's funny.........

*1865
-1789
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** 300

WOW Lib math is just stunning

Doing it my way i get 76... hmmmm

I want my tax monies back for public education
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Old 08-30-2013, 05:17 PM
 
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But there are opportunities out there that whites have not taken advantage of and I dare say that there are opportunities out there that you have not taken advantage of either. Can some people be better positioned to take advantage of opportunities than others? What argument would the white upper class have for the white middle class in regards to why the white middle class have not taken advantage of the opportunities that could have made them upper class? Why are not middle class whites upper class whites? Is it because they are lazier, not as smart, more irresponsible and not willing to take advantage of opportunities? Are Middle Class whites inferior to upper class whites in natural ability....or is something else the reason that separates the white classes?
gee, you think that EVERYONE doesnt always take advantage of the opportunities put in front of them? i have had opportunities that i turned down for various reasons. but then again i am not complaining about not being able to get ahead now am i?
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Old 08-30-2013, 05:19 PM
 
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gee, you think that EVERYONE doesnt always take advantage of the opportunities put in front of them? i have had opportunities that i turned down for various reasons. but then again i am not complaining about not being able to get ahead now am i?
so you turned down the opportunity to be rich?
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Old 08-30-2013, 05:24 PM
 
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so you turned down the opportunity to be rich?
i turned down opportunities that might have made me more money, yes. when i was working, i was one of the best night auditors, every where i went. i never wanted anything higher up.
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:15 PM
 
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i turned down opportunities that might have made me more money, yes. when i was working, i was one of the best night auditors, every where i went. i never wanted anything higher up.
1 dollar is more money. Did you turn down the opportunity to be RICH?
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:16 PM
 
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Said another way, just where should African Americans be today, given that for over 300 years, they were oppressed in this nation? Do you think they have underperformed in their rise from oppression? I ask because there seem to be this implicit assumption that others have "been there and done that", in regards to what blacks have experienced, yet, they have moved to equality by now. If one does not imply that, then usually what is implied is that somehow where blacks are as a people, should be much better.....but based upon what criteria? Who has established the benchmark for comparison and is the situation the same in degree and or kind?
In truth, there's a grand total of one group in the US that can be said to have had similar circumstances to black Americans, and those people are living on reservations. As much as people like to state that their immigrant ancestors "made it on their own", we can look back to soon after these groups arrived en masse, and see massive levels of charity spending, public facilities, school investments, and the like, while black Americans have still received no such thing on a nationwide scale. Much like today, you can easily find texts from the 1890s to the 1960s (and really, even now) that either define crime among white immigrants (which was every bit as high as that among black Americans) as easily corrected, while black pathologies were absolutely their own fault.

So, are black Americans where they *should* be? No, they're much farther along, actually. Given the ongoing lack of investment in black neighborhoods, disparate law enforcement, and the like, it's actually quite remarkable how far along we've come.
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:20 PM
 
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Said another way, just where should African Americans be today, given that for over 300 years, they were oppressed in this nation? Do you think they have underperformed in their rise from oppression? I ask because there seem to be this implicit assumption that others have "been there and done that", in regards to what blacks have experienced, yet, they have moved to equality by now. If one does not imply that, then usually what is implied is that somehow where blacks are as a people, should be much better.....but based upon what criteria? Who has established the benchmark for comparison and is the situation the same in degree and or kind?
Is this how you feel? Because I have never ever heard anyone say that blacks should be farther ahead, although plenty of people talk about how they still are not treated equally and have had to face continuing racism in society as well as the workplace, so if anything with a deck stacked against you that way, they have made some real strides. Sometimes i notice people here will post a question as if it is something others believe, when really its the belief of the poster and theu just dont want to own it, so instead they act as if they are just curious if others have heard it
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:56 PM
 
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In truth, there's a grand total of one group in the US that can be said to have had similar circumstances to black Americans, and those people are living on reservations. As much as people like to state that their immigrant ancestors "made it on their own", we can look back to soon after these groups arrived en masse, and see massive levels of charity spending, public facilities, school investments, and the like, while black Americans have still received no such thing on a nationwide scale. Much like today, you can easily find texts from the 1890s to the 1960s (and really, even now) that either define crime among white immigrants (which was every bit as high as that among black Americans) as easily corrected, while black pathologies were absolutely their own fault.

So, are black Americans where they *should* be? No, they're much farther along, actually. Given the ongoing lack of investment in black neighborhoods, disparate law enforcement, and the like, it's actually quite remarkable how far along we've come.
yes, I forgot about the native Americans. I believe their recent success is due to their dwindling numbers and the high number of 1/16th and 1/32nds among them. if there were as many native Americans as there are black people and if many of them didn't look anglo, there would be no casinos or public sympathy. and still they experience a high share of crime, rapes, alcoholism, etc.
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:19 PM
 
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1 dollar is more money. Did you turn down the opportunity to be RICH?
essentially yes i did. i could have easily been a hotel general manager, and from there regional director, and beyond, but i turned down opportunities that would have put me in those positions.
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