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Old 09-08-2013, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Something happened in the 70's which sent us askew.
It is speculated that "credit" came on the scene and used debt to drive us.

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Old 09-08-2013, 08:54 AM
 
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Simply put, more people would be unemployed if not for the stimulus bill. The exact number of jobs created and saved is difficult to estimate, but nonpartisan economists say there’s no doubt that the number is positive.

The real price tag for stimulus: Between $1 trillion and $1.7 trillion

One would hope that for that much money you would see a positive number. Problem is the rate of enployment today is lower than it has been since Jimmy Carter was in office.

The real price tag for stimulus: Between $1 trillion and $1.7 trillion - The Washington Post

Three reasons the U.S. labor force keeps shrinking
The labor force participation rate has been discussed at length and peaked in the 90's. The 25-54 cohort has the highest attachment to labor, but that group grew .4% vs 2.6% for the 55+ crowd that has a much lower participation rate.
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Old 09-08-2013, 08:58 AM
 
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The labor force participation rate has been discussed at length and peaked in the 90's. The 25-54 cohort has the highest attachment to labor, but that group grew .4% vs 2.6% for the 55+ crowd that has a much lower participation rate.
It's falling because we are running jobs offshore. Something that Obamacare continues to do. Obama said that he would address this when he was candidate Obama.

He's done nothing but make the problem worse.
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Old 09-08-2013, 09:07 AM
 
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It's falling because we are running jobs offshore. Something that Obamacare continues to do. Obama said that he would address this when he was candidate Obama.

He's done nothing but make the problem worse.
He obviously can't stop Verizon from hiring Indian customer service reps or techs, but you can't say he's done nothing.

Text of S. 3816 (111th): Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act (Placed on Calendar in the Senate version) - GovTrack.us
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Old 09-08-2013, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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He obviously can't stop Verizon from hiring Indian customer service reps or techs, but you can't say he's done nothing.

Text of S. 3816 (111th): Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act (Placed on Calendar in the Senate version) - GovTrack.us
No amounts of incentives/credits/tax breaks can make American labor competitive with foreign labor.

US programmer: $250K (total labor cost to employer..employee salary is just a piece of total labor cost)
India programmer: $45K

To do that on a continual basis would bankrupt this country (as if we're not bankrupt already).
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Old 09-08-2013, 09:19 AM
 
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He obviously can't stop Verizon from hiring Indian customer service reps or techs, but you can't say he's done nothing.

Text of S. 3816 (111th): Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act (Placed on Calendar in the Senate version) - GovTrack.us
Thank you. I stand corrected. From a preliminary reading it would appear that this was "something".
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Old 09-08-2013, 09:25 AM
 
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No amounts of incentives/credits/tax breaks can make American labor competitive with foreign labor.

US programmer: $250K (total labor cost to employer..employee salary is just a piece of total labor cost)
India programmer: $45K

To do that on a continual basis would bankrupt this country (as if we're not bankrupt already).
As I said, Obama obviously can't stop a company from hiring service and tech jobs in India.
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Old 09-08-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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Bush was a complete failure as a president. Obama has followed his failed policies. Odds are McCain would have followed many of these same policies.
True... but a lot of Obama haters fail to see this. I don't think anyone will get elected if they go against the grain of the puppet masters. However, its still entertaining to debate those who revise history to win an argument.

Those who argue about NAFTA and other policies fail to understand that most have been pushed by both parties.
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Old 09-08-2013, 09:41 AM
 
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As I said, Obama obviously can't stop a company from hiring service and tech jobs in India.
He could make it less attractive.
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Old 09-08-2013, 09:51 AM
 
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As I said, Obama obviously can't stop a company from hiring service and tech jobs in India.
It is important to note that the largest shareholder of companies like Verizon is govt so the same way they offshored they can onshore. Obama is just the CEO, but it can be undone the same way it was done.
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