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Old 09-02-2013, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Austin
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You're confusing brown and black people talking about their experiences as brown and black people, and being honest about discrimination that they still face, with discrimination. My guess is that you do it deliberately, because someone in the far RWNJ media told you that would be an effective counter to brown and black people telling the truth. The only place that argument works is in the little echo chamber where you all live. The rest of the world sees it for what it is, and shakes their heads.
I'm not confused at all and your post is clearly bigoted.

So you don't agree with the MLK dream?
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:12 AM
 
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We celebrated the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s iconic “I Have a Dream” speech but so little attention is paid to exactly what he said and even less action to achieve his dream. The phrase which captures the essence of the entire speech is "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. "
The occasion was an excuse to engage in a fine display of race baiting. From the clips I saw, there was only the barest minimum of an attempt to actually honor MLK's legacy. Instead of using the occasion to commemorate the impact MLK has had on society, they used it as a soapbox to complain about how put-upon they are. They cheapened his memory by comparing Trayvon Martin to Emmett Till and voter ID to Jim Crow.

The 50th anniversary of that speech will never come again. But instead of using it for some noble purpose worthy of MLK's life and legacy, they just played politics.

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So why is there no effort to eliminate judgement by the color of one's skin?
Because the color of one's skin now carries advantages. Political advantages. The black community votes as a bloc. And the Democrats do not win elections by a wide enough margin to risk losing that bloc. Perpetuating a racial divide works towards the Democrats' advantage.

Setting people against each other is the liberal way. They set women against men, blacks against whites, gays against straights, atheists against Christians, poor against rich. And they cover this up with a constant barrage of attacks against conservatives. Alinsky's rules for radicals #10: if you push a negative hard enough, it will become a positive. If you attack the other side relentlessly with accusations of being the aggressor, eventually people will see you as the victim and sympathize with you. One sees this strategy in action on a daily basis right here on the C-D forums. Post after post after post from liberals saying conservatives are racist. Eventually through the sheer volume of it, you lose sight of the fact that no conservative has actually said anything racist. The ones actually making race an issue are the liberals themselves, not the conservatives.

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Why are Obama, Jackson and Sharpton not making speeches about eliminating discrimination by color of skin?
They don't want to eliminate discrimination. Or, rather, to put it more accurately, they don't want to eliminate the appearance of discrimination. Nobody wants actual discrimination. But the issue is too vital to the Democrat party to give up the war against it. Discrimination is the glue that holds the liberal coalition together. For example, illegal immigrants won't be taking jobs as doctors and lawyers. They will be taking the very jobs that the black community needs to bring their youth unemployment down. Yet the black community votes en masse for the very same politicians who are out there advocating for more of those immigrants. Because the Democrats have convinced both blacks and hispanics that their enemy is racist conservatives. Republicans support voucher programs to give black parents the money to get their children out of failing schools and send them to better ones. But the Democrats receive millions in contributions from teacher unions, so they fight against those programs which would help poor black children. If the blacks ever stopped voting on race as their primary issue, they would defect to the Republican party on issues like immigration and school choice. So the Democrats keep race at the forefront.

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In fact, most of our leaders (and especially Obama) are doing just the opposite. Skin color today is more important than ever. Almost everything our government does and almost every law it passes has skin color as a critical part. You can't get a government contract without determining skin color. The government census has skin color. College admission is about skin color. Small business loans are about skin color. Etc.
Yes, it is a shame. And an interesting fact is that statistics show that all these programs end up helping white women and middle class blacks far more than they help poor blacks, who are supposed to be the beneficiaries of them. I live only a few blocks from the overwhelmingly black government housing in my town. In 2012 you could hear the yelling and firecrackers in the streets when Obama was re-elected. After four years of still being unemployed and still living in run down housing, they celebrated the election of the man who did absolutely nothing for them. Not exactly judging someone by the content of his character rather than the color of his skin, is it?

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So when are we going to stop focusing on skin color and achieve MLK's dream? It would start with eliminating all questions about skin color on every government form and eliminating all laws that have provisions regarding skin color.

Wake up America! We are not moving forward.
It's not enough to wake up to the fact that we are not moving forward. Al Sharpton will tell you that until he's blue in the face. The important thing is waking up to the reasons why we aren't moving forward.

Malcolm X was outspoken about the fact that the liberal politicians were using blacks for votes and weren't serious about actually helping them. MLK was outspoken about the fact that we need to move towards a colorblind society. The two men are major black American heroes, and yet their names are invoked to advance a message which is exactly the opposite of the one they preached. A message drenched in racial rhetoric and aimed at keeping black people dependent on government programs.
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Obama wouldn't be President if this were the case.
Truer words were never spoken.
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Old 09-02-2013, 11:29 AM
 
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You're confusing brown and black people talking about their experiences as brown and black people, and being honest about discrimination that they still face, with discrimination. My guess is that you do it deliberately, because someone in the far RWNJ media told you that would be an effective counter to brown and black people telling the truth. The only place that argument works is in the little echo chamber where you all live. The rest of the world sees it for what it is, and shakes their heads.
Tell me what examples of discrimination you have faced in your life, that really held you back from achieving success. Having women lock car doors when you walk by or clutch purses when you get on an elevator does not count. I mean, actual discrimination that you can attribute to the color of your skin. Were you passed over for promotions? Not hired? Were there any other reasons those things could have happened, such as attitude or conflict with the boss or lack of skills necessary for the job?
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Old 09-02-2013, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Austin
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The occasion was an excuse to engage in a fine display of race baiting. From the clips I saw, there was only the barest minimum of an attempt to actually honor MLK's legacy. Instead of using the occasion to commemorate the impact MLK has had on society, they used it as a soapbox to complain about how put-upon they are. They cheapened his memory by comparing Trayvon Martin to Emmett Till and voter ID to Jim Crow.

The 50th anniversary of that speech will never come again. But instead of using it for some noble purpose worthy of MLK's life and legacy, they just played politics.



Because the color of one's skin now carries advantages. Political advantages. The black community votes as a bloc. And the Democrats do not win elections by a wide enough margin to risk losing that bloc. Perpetuating a racial divide works towards the Democrats' advantage.

Setting people against each other is the liberal way. They set women against men, blacks against whites, gays against straights, atheists against Christians, poor against rich. And they cover this up with a constant barrage of attacks against conservatives. Alinsky's rules for radicals #10: if you push a negative hard enough, it will become a positive. If you attack the other side relentlessly with accusations of being the aggressor, eventually people will see you as the victim and sympathize with you. One sees this strategy in action on a daily basis right here on the C-D forums. Post after post after post from liberals saying conservatives are racist. Eventually through the sheer volume of it, you lose sight of the fact that no conservative has actually said anything racist. The ones actually making race an issue are the liberals themselves, not the conservatives.



They don't want to eliminate discrimination. Or, rather, to put it more accurately, they don't want to eliminate the appearance of discrimination. Nobody wants actual discrimination. But the issue is too vital to the Democrat party to give up the war against it. Discrimination is the glue that holds the liberal coalition together. For example, illegal immigrants won't be taking jobs as doctors and lawyers. They will be taking the very jobs that the black community needs to bring their youth unemployment down. Yet the black community votes en masse for the very same politicians who are out there advocating for more of those immigrants. Because the Democrats have convinced both blacks and hispanics that their enemy is racist conservatives. Republicans support voucher programs to give black parents the money to get their children out of failing schools and send them to better ones. But the Democrats receive millions in contributions from teacher unions, so they fight against those programs which would help poor black children. If the blacks ever stopped voting on race as their primary issue, they would defect to the Republican party on issues like immigration and school choice. So the Democrats keep race at the forefront.



Yes, it is a shame. And an interesting fact is that statistics show that all these programs end up helping white women and middle class blacks far more than they help poor blacks, who are supposed to be the beneficiaries of them. I live only a few blocks from the overwhelmingly black government housing in my town. In 2012 you could hear the yelling and firecrackers in the streets when Obama was re-elected. After four years of still being unemployed and still living in run down housing, they celebrated the election of the man who did absolutely nothing for them. Not exactly judging someone by the content of his character rather than the color of his skin, is it?



It's not enough to wake up to the fact that we are not moving forward. Al Sharpton will tell you that until he's blue in the face. The important thing is waking up to the reasons why we aren't moving forward.

Malcolm X was outspoken about the fact that the liberal politicians were using blacks for votes and weren't serious about actually helping them. MLK was outspoken about the fact that we need to move towards a colorblind society. The two men are major black American heroes, and yet their names are invoked to advance a message which is exactly the opposite of the one they preached. A message drenched in racial rhetoric and aimed at keeping black people dependent on government programs.
Excellent analysis.
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Old 09-02-2013, 01:51 PM
 
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Yes, I will definitely stay in Italy. People here (and elsewhere) aren't so easily fooled into thinking that "all people are created equal."
please do stay in italy you deserve to stay there.

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The hare always finishes before the tortoise. --At least in real life anyway.
again not true. have you ever been to the races? the fastest car does not always win, in fact many times the pole sitter is not in victory lane when the race is over, even in formula one racing.

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The "opportunities that present themselves" to a poor boy in the mountains are NOT the same opportunities that "present themselves" to the rich boy in the upper class suburbs. Not by a long shot.

This is real life.
alright lets talk about that poor mountain boy. he has the opportunity of getting an education, so if he takes advantage of that opportunity, then new opportunities open up for him. lets say he applies himself and does well through high school, and lets say also that he joined an athletic team and excelled there as well. chances are good that college scouts took notice of this boy, and checked his academic records, and will likely offer the boy a scholarship to go to a university to learn and play sports, and yes it really does happen more often than you think. lets say that again this boy has excelled in school and in sports, and now professional teams are looking at him to play after he leaves college. now this kid has an education AND the possibility of a big contract with a pro team. pipe dream? there are thousands that take that road every year. there are many others that excel in school through their own hard work and get academic scholarships for college and go on to make something of themselves after school.

or how about poor mountain boy decides to stay on the family farm, while attending the local community college and learns a few tricks there that help the family farm increase its output per acre. nowt he family is bringing in more money than they did before, and perhaps poor farm boy decides to flip cars as a sideline, and makes money at that. and these are just a few opportunities that the average person has available to them.


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The "founding fathers" had slaves. Think about it.
true, the founding fathers did have slaves, slavery was LEGAL back then, but they wanted to eliminate slavery altogether. there was a small problem though, and that was the southern plantation owners would not support the new country if slavery were abolished, so a compromise was struck. slavery would be legal below the mason/dixon line, and any new states added would be allowed to either have slaves or not, their choice. also no new slaves would be brought in from other countries, and there had to be a path out of slavery for those slaves that were willing to work to be free. and by the way, one of the reasons the US navy was established was to prevent slave running. so yea slavery was an issue at the time, but things were put in motion to end slavery over time. even back then they realized that slavery could not be ended all at once.

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We are NOT all equal in real life. The boy in the mountains does NOT have the same opportunities. (But it's easy to say he does when we're the ones with all the opportunities.)
rubbish, we ARE all equal. while we dont have the same talents, we all have the capacity to learn, and do things if we are willing to put forth the effort. and we all have the opportunity to succeed in this country, despite the fact that people like you are myopic when it comes to seeing what is really happening around you.
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