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Old 09-02-2013, 10:46 AM
 
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If Obama rescued a kitten from a tree, conservatives would criticize him for it. They'd be like, "doesn't he have more pressing concerns?"

I am not being sarcastic here. So-called Obamacare, for example, is almost a carbon copy of the health care reform plan Republican Richard Nixon floated in the early 1970s, before he was brought down in the Watergate scandal. In other words, Obamacare is basically a conservative Republican plan. Yet, today's conservatives denounce it as "socialist."
If I knew Obama rescued a kitten from a tree, I would view it as a big photo-op and nothing more -- because how else would the whole world know he did? If he rescued one with no fanfare, no liberal media making it the biggest event of the year, then fine, but then I wouldn't know about it.

Sending our best American youth to die in Syria when we have nothing to achieve there is just stupid.

Obama has never once explained what's in it for us --- would we be pretending to do some nation building? Forcing our socialist utopia agenda onto them? Or would we just want to bring them some anarchy where the killings will go on?

Obama and Hillary have some silly notions of "Arab Spring" but neither one of them has really explained what that is supposed to actually be.

All you war mongers --- are you yourselves prepared to go and fight and die for some Syrian cause? Or is this something you intend to have others do? Will you sacrifice your own child for this cause?

 
Old 09-02-2013, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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If I knew Obama rescued a kitten from a tree, I would view it as a big photo-op and nothing more -- because how else would the whole world know he did? If he rescued one with no fanfare, no liberal media making it the biggest event of the year, then fine, but then I wouldn't know about it.

Sending our best American youth to die in Syria when we have nothing to achieve there is just stupid.

Obama has never once explained what's in it for us --- would we be pretending to do some nation building? Forcing our socialist utopia agenda onto them? Or would we just want to bring them some anarchy where the killings will go on?

Obama and Hillary have some silly notions of "Arab Spring" but neither one of them has really explained what that is supposed to actually be.

All you war mongers --- are you yourselves prepared to go and fight and die for some Syrian cause? Or is this something you intend to have others do? Will you sacrifice your own child for this cause?
Can you put a leash on all the histrionics? Nobody is even contemplating sending our best American youth to die in Syria. Nobody has even suggested that. Not even J. McCain.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 10:51 AM
 
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I'm liberal and 100% against it. It's not just conservatives who don't want this.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 10:52 AM
 
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Can you put a leash on all the histrionics? Nobody is even contemplating sending our best American youth to die in Syria. Nobody has even suggested that. Not even J. McCain.
Of course there would be American deaths.

Does Obama really plan to just bomb Syria to death -- kill thousands of civilians to kill Assad? His plan to bomb would have to be followed by more action than just randomly bombing away.

And after he bombs the government out of power, then what? Just let the civilians start killing each other in the following anarchy?
 
Old 09-02-2013, 11:05 AM
 
Location: East St. Paul 651 forever (or North St. Paul) .
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Can you put a leash on all the histrionics? Nobody is even contemplating sending our best American youth to die in Syria. Nobody has even suggested that. Not even J. McCain.
Mad Dog McCain is insane, and just bombing is going to have what repercussions? Of course it will be met with some ugly perceptions - uglier still even than they are now - in the Islamic world.

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Of course there would be American deaths.

Does Obama really plan to just bomb Syria to death -- kill thousands of civilians to kill Assad? His plan to bomb would have to be followed by more action than just randomly bombing away.

And after he bombs the government out of power, then what? Just let the civilians start killing each other in the following anarchy?
This is right. Bombing them, there is nothing good that can come from it.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 11:08 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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There are few Republicans who have articulated decent positions but for most of the tea baggers they just want to be the opposite of what ever position President Obama takes even if they have to flip a 180 to do so.

Hate to burst that smug bubble? but i have democrat friends, who lately are articulating and opposing everything Obama does these days.

And are oppose to us going to war with Syria. Guess i have closet democrat friends that behind close doors, let it out how they feel about being duked by Obama a second go round.

Some learn their lessons, some just now are.

Infact in my tapes of Obama from 2008 he states in there, that the last thing he would ever do, would be a decision to go to war, unless it was warrranted, and the US was being threatened, OR our intrests were. And that this would be a decision that would weigh on him heavily.

That would be his last option. And that he would seek approval before making any military decision.

Talk about a flip flopper, looking at Obama, spells that name perfectly.

Obama is everything he claimed he wasn't!
 
Old 09-02-2013, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Can you put a leash on all the histrionics? Nobody is even contemplating sending our best American youth to die in Syria. Nobody has even suggested that. Not even J. McCain.
I haven't seen the plan. Are we going to fly our aircraft on bombing missions? If so our men will be in harms way. Assad has 900 surface to air missiles. He has fighter planes to challenge our pilots. Now I don't believe for a minute that the Syrian airforce is a match for our Naval aviators. I do believe that pilots get knocked down by the occasional lucks shot. 900 SAMs is a gauntlet to fly through.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Of course there would be American deaths.

Does Obama really plan to just bomb Syria to death -- kill thousands of civilians to kill Assad? His plan to bomb would have to be followed by more action than just randomly bombing away.

And after he bombs the government out of power, then what? Just let the civilians start killing each other in the following anarchy?
We will take out the Assad gov. communication centers and command and control centers with cruise missiles fired from 250 miles away and accuracy within 3 yards. Then the Saudis will topple Assad using the Free Syrian Army. My guess is within 30 days. The Saudis will also reign in the Al Qaeda forces roaming the Syrian countryside now.
Strategically, Syria is not Libya. Syria is a critical element in the regional conflict between Saudi Arabia and Iran. You go against the president on this, you go against Israel and you're actually siding with Iran in this conflict.
Oh, and the plan is to have Syrian's do the dying for the future of their country, not Americans.

When the President goes to congress and lays out the intelligence and strategy for dealing with Syria and how it impacts the balance of power in the region, the congress will vote to strike Syria.

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Old 09-02-2013, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Mad Dog McCain is insane, and just bombing is going to have what repercussions? Of course it will be met with some ugly perceptions - uglier still even than they are now - in the Islamic world.



This is right. Bombing them, there is nothing good that can come from it.

Clueless on many levels, but I understand your reluctance and concern.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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I'll bite on this topic without using political party nor political sides. First off, yes, it's wrong for either the rebels or the official government to use such weapons. I believe they confirmed such weapons were used, but by which side? Second, while Assad is not a nice guy, neither are the rebels who are made up of members of terrorist organizations. Do we really want to put another terrorist organization in charge of a nation again? Third, dropping bombs on chemical weapons stockpiles will not destroy the weapons. It'll disperse them to the surrounding area. The materials must be incinerated at high temperatures to be destroyed. Fourth, our allies have said no to joining us in such an attack. Fifth, some Arab nations are making talks to try to handle the Syria situation themselves. This is preferable because they share the same religion, similar culture, and if it comes to them making war upon each other, it'll attrack all the nutjob terrorist looking for a fight. Sure the price of oil will go up, but so would the number of Muslim terrorist deaths. Sixth, it's not wise for a US President who closed White House tours, canceled performances by the Navy's Blue Angels, and proposed other shut downs due to the nation's budget would decide to commit to a war when we still have troops in Afghanistan and near Iraq. With troops having served so many long tours in combat, this isn't the time to join in what is basically a civil war. This happened before in Korea and Vietnam. Don't let it happen again.
As a Vietnam vet, and father of a soldier who did tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan, I agree wholeheartedly!
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