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Old 09-03-2013, 11:39 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Because it doesn't apply to conservatives. Only liberals are authoritarian
I think that is wrong. Conservatives are just as authoritarian, I have had to do with my share of those...
Plus, of course there are liberals that are not authoritarian at all.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:40 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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I think you are desperately grabbing at straws.

I've been very clear in what I think...

Absent a compelling case that we absolutely need to be involved - that some vital global interest requires us to wade into this and WIN... We should not.
So there's no point in having any sort of international convention regarding the use of chemical weapons. Or biological or nuclear weapons either. Let Iran have nukes! Let Li'l Kim have sarin! So what? Who cares?

Chemical Weapons Convention
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:45 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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I believe what would really produce more regional stability would be the countries of the region spanking Assad's butt and telling him he was done.
i agree.

but that won't happen.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:47 AM
 
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We? It was mostly the Russians who stopped Hitler. They deserve 90% of the credit. Plus, Europeans have always fought each other, Europe didn't die out or anything because of that. Even if Hitler had won, his regime would have collapsed very soon as there were simply not enough people to fill and defend all that land. He was not even interested in Europe, but mostly in Baku because of the oil, which Germans lacked and still lack.

The Russians did what they would sooner or later have done anyway, they kicked the intruders out...

Who says Communism is forced upon North Koreans? Have you asked them? Maybe they like it there. They don't know anything else...
That's a fascinating re-telling of WWII.

It's true that Hitler made the mistake of trying to take down Russia. It's also true that he came within a hair's breadth of doing so.

It's also true that WE helped arm the Russians.

Russia stopped the invasion of Russia. We saved the rest of the world, together with England and Canada and Australia.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:49 AM
 
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So there's no point in having any sort of international convention regarding the use of chemical weapons. Or biological or nuclear weapons either. Let Iran have nukes! Let Li'l Kim have sarin! So what? Who cares?

Chemical Weapons Convention
They are, for most intents and purposes, nothing but feel-good nonsense.


Bad people are not bound by "conventions" and good people don't need them.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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I think that is wrong. Conservatives are just as authoritarian, I have had to do with my share of those...
Plus, of course there are liberals that are not authoritarian at all.
I think you're wholly mistaken.

But before we get too far astray, let's remember that I'm talking about POLITICAL conservatives.

There are people who are social conservatives, but political liberals, etc, etc.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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Plus, of course there are liberals that are not authoritarian at all.
then they can't be liberals.

Liberalism is premised upon the idea of authority controlling the individual, for the purpose of benefiting the goals of the majority or ruling class.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:53 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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i agree.

but that won't happen.
No, we seem to enjoy shooting ourselves in the foot too much.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:56 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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That's a fascinating re-telling of WWII.

It's true that Hitler made the mistake of trying to take down Russia. It's also true that he came within a hair's breadth of doing so.

It's also true that WE helped arm the Russians.

Russia stopped the invasion of Russia. We saved the rest of the world, together with England and Canada and Australia.
Nothing much would have happened to the world, people tired of him would have fought him and ultimately kicked him out again. Just like with the Roman and lots of other empires before...

I don't share your views at all, they are rather simplistic...
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:01 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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then they can't be liberals.

Liberalism is premised upon the idea of authority controlling the individual, for the purpose of benefiting the goals of the majority or ruling class.
Sounds more like your interpretation of liberalism, associating with that term whatever you don't like
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