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Old 09-05-2013, 12:18 AM
 
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78 View Post
So now the far right is in love with Russia? It felt like just yesterday they were whining that Obama was trying to turn this country into Russia. Seriously, is the far right bi-polar?
Two non sequitur fallacies:

1. Equating Kerry as a liar, as support for Putin. False.
2. Equating today's Russia with the former Soviet Union; The two are not synonymous. False.

 
Old 09-05-2013, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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You're confusing today's Russia with the Soviet Union. The two are not synonymous.
Lol! The KGB is synonymous with Putin, however.
 
Old 09-05-2013, 12:51 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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haha love how the rwnj turn to Russia . We now know where their loyalty lies.
The world now realizes this entire administration couldn't speak a single word of truth to save their miserable lives and all you can come up with is a "ha ha" and some additional babble about loyalty? You obviously missed the entire point of the thread.

Here is some additional reading on the new world view of our village idiot

Many in Middle East struggling to understand Obama’s Syria policy | McClatchy

Mexican President Says NSA Spying Illegal, Demands Investigation « CBS DC

Brazil senate committee to probe US spying

Code Pink Protesters Hold Faux-Bloody Hands Behind Kerry at House Syria Hearing

The PJ Tatler » Egyptian Media Portray Obama as Satan

This administration is in deep deep trouble. All the lies and B.S. they feed their voting bloc, allies and friendlies are now coming to light and they don't like it..

We have democrat's voting for war because they are black and they want to support their own regardless of whether or not war is the right decision.

The only reason we are in this entire Syria debacle is because he shot his mouth off about a "red line". Now he tries to get out of it by saying he made himself the sole representative of the UN and was speaking for the world view not our own.. For Christ sake, how does this guy sleep at night? More importantly, how can the people that voted for him sleep at night known the moron has made a mockery of the entire country?

If you can't see the major problems facing this administration you have problems much bigger than anyone here can help you see.
 
Old 09-05-2013, 04:55 AM
 
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Yeah, I wouldn't be calling Putin a far better leader, Russia ain't really the best place to be living, especially if you disagree with the administration. At least in the US, you guys can still freely whine about the president without fear of people taking you away. I wouldn't put that idea past Putin.
It has happened in America by a dummycrat, progressive POTUS.

1917 Sedition Act

On May 16, 1918, the United States Congress passes the Sedition Act, a piece of legislation designed to protect America's participation in World War I.

Along with the Espionage Act of the previous year, the Sedition Act was orchestrated largely by A. Mitchell Palmer, the United States attorney general under President Woodrow Wilson. The Espionage Act, passed shortly after the U.S. entrance into the war in early April 1917, made it a crime for any person to convey information intended to interfere with the U.S. armed forces' prosecution of the war effort or to promote the success of the country's enemies.

Aimed at socialists, pacifists and other anti-war activists, the Sedition Act imposed harsh penalties on anyone found guilty of making false statements that interfered with the prosecution of the war; insulting or abusing the U.S. government, the flag, the Constitution or the military; agitating against the production of necessary war materials; or advocating, teaching or defending any of these acts. Those who were found guilty of such actions, the act stated, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both. This was the same penalty that had been imposed for acts of espionage in the earlier legislation.

Though Wilson and Congress regarded the Sedition Act as crucial in order to stifle the spread of dissent within the country in that time of war, modern legal scholars consider the act as contrary to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution, namely to the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights. One of the most famous prosecutions under the Sedition Act during World War I was that of Eugene V. Debs, a pacifist labor organizer and founder of the International Workers of the World (IWW) who had run for president in 1900 as a Social Democrat and in 1904, 1908 and 1912 on the Socialist Party of America ticket.

Your lack of knowledge of history is astounding.
 
Old 09-05-2013, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Well we need to ask what gives Putin any credibility? Why would we the people doubt the veracity of our own leaders? Has our leadership misled us in the past? Have they done things to cast doubt upon their word and integrity? I think so.
Do I think Putin is the fountain of honor and integrity? No he is a former spy master from the KGB, but that doesn't mean that he is wrong on this. Until I see something more than " we Know Assad did this but we can't tell you how we know" I am going to have doubts. We are talking about killing people on some pretty flimsy evidence. We have Assad who is scum. Then we have rebels who are also scum. Both are certainly capable of committing such acts.
Finally we have people in a hurry to launch an attack and damn the consequences if we do. let's face facts our track record is pretty bad in the middle east.
 
Old 09-05-2013, 06:41 AM
 
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How does kerry being called out as a liar equate with loving russia or the far right?
You seem confused.
That would be called left wing thinking...normal for them in their bubble...
 
Old 09-05-2013, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Yeah, I wouldn't be calling Putin a far better leader, Russia ain't really the best place to be living, especially if you disagree with the administration. At least in the US, you guys can still freely whine about the president without fear of people taking you away. I wouldn't put that idea past Putin.
Obama put the film maker away for making a film .. He is still in jail...you know,, the film Obama blamed for Bengazi..
 
Old 09-05-2013, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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At least I don't openly express admiration for foreign dictators. Which Putin is. Why else would he support Assad?
Are all of the American presidents who have supported and sometimes even put foreign dictators into power dictators too??????
 
Old 09-05-2013, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Florida
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haha love how the rwnj turn to Russia . We now know where their loyalty lies.
I think it is bizzarre to see Americans support Russia, China and Iran while relentlessly attacking everything US does and says.
 
Old 09-05-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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I think it is bizzarre to see Americans support Russia, China and Iran while relentlessly attacking everything US does and says.
Everything?

I find it odd how many in the government is willing to back Al Queda. I think it's odd how nobody can tell me why it's worse to kill people with chemical weapons that blowing them up with bombs.

Why is it bad for Syria (if they even did) to kill women and children with chemical weapons but killing them with bombs is something we simply have to do.
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