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I think this says it all. Why am I not surprised? Obamacare is helping everyone BUT the people it is supposed to help. To US, the people of the United States it is supposed to help, it is simply costing more money, and nothing has been gained in return.....
The working poor who couldn't afford healthcare previously, but can now due to subsidies.
Those poor folks who will specifically benefit from Medicaid expansions.
Those who were previously unable to access or afford health insurance due to preexisting conditions.
Those who were previously unable to access or afford health insurance due to lifetime caps.
ACA critics work very hard to blind themselves, and perhaps others, to the fact that ACA is actually going to serve up very important, valuable benefits, in terms of reducing the human costs of our nation's previous healthcare system. I suspect that they do so because they only really care about themselves, and couldn't care less about others; and refusing to acknowledge the high human cost paid today by other people, who they would rather ignore rather than show human compassion toward, serves their avaricious interests.
In the end, and even though ACA critics will deny it and vacuously beat their chests in protest, it really comes down to human values: If all you value is your own money, then you're going to (literally) hate ACA. If you have a healthy balance of consideration of your own comfort and luxury with other people's basic needs, then you're going to support ACA.
I think this says it all. Why am I not surprised? Obamacare is helping everyone BUT the people it is supposed to help. To US, the people of the United States it is supposed to help, it is simply costing more money, and nothing has been gained in return.....
Why do my fellow conservatives on here make such poor arguments. The stocks went up but you didn't talk about how they went up in relation to the overall market going up. Fail. You didn't show any proof that their going up was related to healthcare reform. Fail. The link isn't even your own opinion. Fail. You also didn't mention things like coverage for people with pre-existing conditions that make for people who are winners. You also didn't talk about how the free loaders will now have to step up and get healthcare instead of leeching off of the system. Fail.
No one is going to get "screwed" by ACA. Some people won't benefit. Some people will pay more money than before. Some people will miss getting subsidies by a dollar. Some other changes will take place that won't be happy happy love love changes. Get over it. Not everything in life has to break your way. Not everything is always perfect, especially when you have to placate the blue dogs, and keep the RWNJs from filibustering. But, regardless, sometimes it is more important to address matters of human decency, addressing the most basic needs of others, rather than making it easier for you to afford the latest smartphone, or making your next vacation more extravagant. It doesn't always have to be all about you all of the time.
Why do my fellow conservatives on here make such poor arguments. The stocks went up but you didn't talk about how they went up in relation to the overall market going up. Fail. You didn't show any proof that their going up was related to healthcare reform. Fail. The link isn't even your own opinion. Fail. You also didn't mention things like coverage for people with pre-existing conditions that make for people who are winners. You also didn't talk about how the free loaders will now have to step up and get healthcare instead of leeching off of the system. Fail.
Go back to the start and make a better argument.
Actually, YOU need to go back to the start and read what the thread is about.. Who are the BIG winners... I wasn't talking about healthcare, coverage for people, costs, freeloaders, etc. I was talking about, who is making money off of it right now! So, Unless you can point out how I was wrong to point out an article that shows how people are getting rich off of obamacare, then you have failed in your sophomoric rant.
I think you have some work to do yourself, to prove that those folks wouldn't have "won" regardless of ACA.
For example, your point is that investors' advantages were safeguarded - meaning that without ACA they would have gotten the same. No, not more: Medical Loss Ratio is a cost to investors in health insurance companies, that's basically balanced against the advantages investors can expect from Individual Mandate, for example. So ... the same. No difference. Investors in companies that provide health service have a similar balancing, stemming from Medicaid expansion forcing them to provide more service to more people, at a very low rate.
Harming investors was not the point of ACA. Making healthcare affordable to many who couldn't afford it previously was the point, and what it achieves.
No one is going to get "screwed" by ACA. Some people won't benefit. Some people will pay more money than before. Some people will miss getting subsidies by a dollar. Some other changes will take place that won't be happy happy love love changes. Get over it. Not everything in life has to break your way. Not everything is always perfect, especially when you have to placate the blue dogs, and keep the RWNJs from filibustering. But, regardless, sometimes it is more important to address matters of human decency, addressing the most basic needs of others, rather than making it easier for you to afford the latest smartphone, or making your next vacation more extravagant. It doesn't always have to be all about you all of the time.
I'll never understand how one would support a program which increases taxes, makes it harder to keep your own insurance, leaves 30,000,000 people uninsured, cuts hours thereby requiring people to work a 2nd job, and doesnt fix a dam thing = human decency to you.
I think you have some work to do yourself, to prove that those folks wouldn't have "won" regardless of ACA.
For example, your point is that investors' advantages were safeguarded - meaning that without ACA they would have gotten the same. No, not more: Medical Loss Ratio is a cost to investors in health insurance companies, that's basically balanced against the advantages investors can expect from Individual Mandate, for example. So ... the same. No difference. Investors in companies that provide health service have a similar balancing, stemming from Medicaid expansion forcing them to provide more service to more people, at a very low rate.
Harming investors was not the point of ACA. Making healthcare affordable to many who couldn't afford it previously was the point, and what it achieves.
Someone has their head up their ass because there isnt a dam thing in Obamacare designed to keep costs low.
sometimes it is more important to address matters of human decency, addressing the most basic needs of others, rather than making it easier for you to afford the latest smartphone, or making your next vacation more extravagant
I'll never understand
I've come to accept that some folks have a vested interest in working hard not to understand the moral imperative of prioritizing the basic human needs of others over their own personal comfort and luxury.
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Making healthcare affordable to many who couldn't afford it previously was the point, and what it achieves.
Someone has their head up their ass because there isnt a dam thing in Obamacare designed to keep costs low.
"Someone has their head up their ass because" nothing in the comment that person replied to said anything about keeping costs low.
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