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Old 09-06-2013, 05:09 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Robert_J View Post
There should be no protected classes. There should be equal protection under the law for everyone.
Exactly.

 
Old 09-06-2013, 05:14 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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I don't know. Does the bakery already offer "Heil Hitler" cakes? If they do, they should have no problem selling "Heil Hitler" cakes to anyone who wants one.
If the bakery does not offer "Heil Hitler" cakes, then no they don't have to make something they don't already make.
 
Old 09-06-2013, 05:19 AM
 
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Someone should try it and see what happens.

I'll bet you'd get a very definitive answer.
 
Old 09-06-2013, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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A protected class isn't necessarily just someone without choice. Race and sexual orientation aren't choices, but religious beliefs and pregnancy ARE choices, and they're protected classes under federal law as well. The important issue with this is that the store isn't being asked to MAKE or SELL anything that they wouldn't normally make or sell. A wedding cake is a wedding cake--there is no such thing as a "gay wedding cake"--it's a wedding cake made FOR a gay couple. A business can't discriminate on WHO they sell to or make things for if that individual is part of a protected class. For instance, a bakery that makes only cupcakes and cookies can't be made to make a wedding cake for any reason, but they have to SELL what they already make for everyone else--cupcakes and cookies--to people regardless of their religious beliefs, race, and in some states sexual orientation, etc.
I think in a free country, a private business owner should be able to deny service yo anyone they want, for any reason they want. State and federal governments should be denied the ability to discriminate, but if a black bakery owner doesn't want to serve an asian, I support his right to be a pigheaded moron.
 
Old 09-06-2013, 05:41 AM
 
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Should a Jewish bakery be forced to make a "Heil Hitler" cake?

No.

Being a Nazi, Neo-Nazi or a member of the KKK etc is NOT a protected class in anti-discrimination law.

Protected class is a characteristic like:

Religion
Race
Age
Gender
Disability status
Sexual Orientation (in some states)

How do Nazi's or Heil Hitler cakes fit into that?

Seriously, it's not rocket science. Why do some people continue to get it wrong over and over again?
If religion is a Protected class, then why should a Christian baker be "forced" to produce a cake for something his faith calls a sin??
 
Old 09-06-2013, 05:43 AM
 
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Why should any business be forced to bake a cake or cookies or anything for anyone?
I'm sure there are gay/lesbian bakeries in most every city, why not go there and support them as they support you.

The only reason most people with a different lifestyle force this issue is because they want the attention even though they state in the same breath "we want to be treated just like everyone else".
If that were true you would not draw attention to yourself or put on that I'm gay,lesbian, nazi, kkk or whatever you are neon sign above your head and spout about being treated equally and not wanting attention.

It is like so many who post on this forum "Looking for gay/lesbian friendly neighborhood". Why have you labeled yourself and why are you announcing that you have a different lifestyle. Most would probably never notice if you did not shift the focus of attention to yourself and your lifestyle.
They are looking for headlines......period!!
 
Old 09-06-2013, 05:49 AM
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Location: Florida
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If religion is a Protected class, then why should a Christian baker be "forced" to produce a cake for something his faith calls a sin??
This comment exposes a significant ignorance with regard to what is discrimination.

Anti-discrimination laws exist to protect people from being discriminated against. The gay couple did not discriminate against the baker. Quite the opposite - the gay couple chose the baker, something the baker invited by offering products and services for sale. Claiming the gay couple discriminated against the baker would be tantamount to claiming that every customer going into that bakery to buy something is discriminating against the baker. What poppycock! By contrast, the baker did discriminate against the gay couple, by refusing to sell to the gay couple what the baker would sell and regularly has sold to other couples.

So except in Upside Down World, the only discrimination in this case was the discrimination the baker committed against the gay couple.
 
Old 09-06-2013, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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They are looking for headlines......period!!
Remind me which one is constantly giving interviews, because it isn't the lesbian couple.
 
Old 09-06-2013, 06:10 AM
 
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If religion is a Protected class, then why should a Christian baker be "forced" to produce a cake for something his faith calls a sin??
*sigh*

Seriously, please just spend a few minutes looking up Anti-discrimination Law and you will see for yourself.

How many times do people have to repeat the same thing on these forums?
 
Old 09-06-2013, 06:15 AM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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How many times do people have to repeat the same thing on these forums?
One of the most common ways right-wingers defend their perspectives these days is by "repeating the lie" often enough to dupe weak-minded people into thinking it is truth, or such that it supports the intentional self-deception necessary to support right-wing perspectives.
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