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And most all of the leadership positions within the Democratic Party are taken up by socialists progressives.
Our federal government is so freaking gigantic and all consuming, that there is no part of our lives it has not already inserted itself. Our government is into every part of our lives, controlling everyday items like washing machines, education, to food, to faucets and shower heads, to... well name something that the federal government does not control. Our government regulates our everyday lives to the point where, we are banned from manufacturing or purchasing products and services because some bureaucrat thinks otherwise.
Again, if libertarians are anarchists, who want to end government, then why are they in government, proposing laws????
I don't see anything wrong with requiring businesses to stamp safety guidelines on their products. If you really have a problem with consumer protection, I can't go further with you in the discussion because you're only going to use an ideological argument.
Any rational person who believes in government whether the government is small or big feel it's in the citizens' interest to have environmental and consumer laws in order to have a more prosperous marketplace.
And the federal government rarely if ever impacts the citizens. Most incarceration is at the hands of state governments.
Yes, liberty is a core American value, and an overweening state can be unhealthy. And there are plenty of self-described libertarians who have adopted the label mainly because they support same-sex marriage or decry government surveillance. These social libertarians aren’t the problem. It is the nihilist anti-state libertarians of the Koch-Cruz-Norquist-Paul (Ron and Rand alike) school who should worry us.
THIS is what the crux of the entire article is based on. Are their some evil players who back Libertarians (like the Koch brothers) YES! The bolded words are 98% of us, so this is just another bash them all for the sins of a few.
Absurd, ridiculous, isn't worth the time it took to read.
Yes, liberty is a core American value, and an overweening state can be unhealthy. And there are plenty of self-described libertarians who have adopted the label mainly because they support same-sex marriage or decry government surveillance. These social libertarians aren’t the problem. It is the nihilist anti-state libertarians of the Koch-Cruz-Norquist-Paul (Ron and Rand alike) school who should worry us.
THIS is what the crux of the entire article is based on. Are their some evil players who back Libertarians (like the Koch brothers) YES! The bolded words are 98% of us, so this is just another bash them all for the sins of a few.
Absurd, ridiculous, isn't worth the time it took to read.
I do not claim to be a libertarian, but I have had heard people discuss issues who do claim do be.
Here is an example of less government.
When government tells me I CANNOT agree to purchase a health insurance plan that both me and my insurance company agree to, that is too much government.
When government tells me I CANNOT build washing machines my customers want, then government is too big.
When government thinks they can essentially have a bureaucrat follow me around, 24/7, taking notes and documenting every person I send an email, phone, IM, every web site I visit, every credit card purchase i make and photographing every letter I mail, that is a government that is too big.
Like i said earlier, we could eliminate half of all regulations, (over 3,000 were created last year) and eliminate half of all federal government programs, and eliminate half of all federal offices, we would still have an overbearing and oppressive government. so when a libertarian talks about eliminating a few regulations and agencies, they are being ever so modest and barely chipping away at this monster we have created.
I do not claim to be a libertarian, but I have had heard people discuss issues who do claim do be.
Here is an example of less government.
When government tells me I CANNOT agree to purchase a health insurance plan that both me and my insurance company agree to, that is too much government.
When government tells me I CANNOT build washing machines my customers want, then government is too big.
When government thinks they can essentially have a bureaucrat follow me around, 24/7, taking notes and documenting every person I send an email, phone, IM, every web site I visit, every credit card purchase i make and photographing every letter I mail, that is a government that is too big.
Like i said earlier, we could eliminate half of all regulations, (over 3,000 were created last year) and eliminate half of all federal government programs, and eliminate half of all federal offices, we would still have an overbearing and oppressive government. so when a libertarian talks about eliminating a few regulations and agencies, they are being ever so modest and barely chipping away at this monster we have created.
Again, what do you think the role of government should be?
Yes, liberty is a core American value, and an overweening state can be unhealthy. And there are plenty of self-described libertarians who have adopted the label mainly because they support same-sex marriage or decry government surveillance. These social libertarians aren’t the problem. It is the nihilist anti-state libertarians of the Koch-Cruz-Norquist-Paul (Ron and Rand alike) school who should worry us.
THIS is what the crux of the entire article is based on. Are their some evil players who back Libertarians (like the Koch brothers) YES! The bolded words are 98% of us, so this is just another bash them all for the sins of a few.
Absurd, ridiculous, isn't worth the time it took to read.
We have veered so far off course, that we could stand a two term Ron Paul presidency and clean out a lot of the cancer that the progressives have sickened our country with, and we would still have plenty of big oppressive government to go around. I'm not a fan of Ron Paul, it's just an admission that the progressives have moved us so far to the left.
Again, what do you think the role of government should be?
Government is there to protect our rights and freedoms, not to dictate them to us. Government creates the laws and regulations to form the framework from which our capitalist systems operates within. These same laws and regs protect honest people from thieves and cheats, so we can pursue those things in our lives that we desire, i.e. seek our happiness.
As I said, government should not set up some bureaucracy to dictate what products and services we may not offer, and in turn, dictate to us what we can and cannot purchase.
I'm not talking about laws and regulations for hazardous products that would poison or kill the unwary customer. I'm refering to bureaucrats in a government agency deciding, based arbitrarily on their own personal opinions or ideology, how much energy my washer, drier, toaster, or car can use, and making it illegal to manufacture or purchase anything else. 0bamaCare is the epitome of this type of tyranny.
I don't see anything wrong with requiring businesses to stamp safety guidelines on their products. If you really have a problem with consumer protection, I can't go further with you in the discussion because you're only going to use an ideological argument.
Any rational person who believes in government whether the government is small or big feel it's in the citizens' interest to have environmental and consumer laws in order to have a more prosperous marketplace.
And the federal government rarely if ever impacts the citizens. Most incarceration is at the hands of state governments.
They government has gone way beyond mandating labeling on products. That labeling was done decades upon decades ago.
They are now to the point where they think they can mandate what you eat and how much.
Government is there to protect our rights and freedoms, not to dictate them to us. Government creates the laws and regulations to form the framework from which our capitalist systems operates within. These same laws and regs protect honest people from thieves and cheats, so we can pursue those things in our lives that we desire, i.e. seek our happiness.
As I said, government should not set up some bureaucracy to dictate what products and services we may not offer, and in turn, dictate to us what we can and cannot purchase.
I'm not talking about laws and regulations for hazardous products that would poison or kill the unwary customer. I'm refering to bureaucrats in a government agency deciding, based arbitrarily on their own personal opinions or ideology, how much energy my washer, drier, toaster, or car can use, and making it illegal to manufacture or purchase anything else. 0bamaCare is the epitome of this type of tyranny.
Some forms of regulation works. Restaaurants and lunch counters refused service to those of color. The government had to intervene. However, some nutjob libertarians argue that it's "immoral" to force businesses to not refuse service to unpreferred customers because government has no business in the marketplace. There's nothing wrong with having to be forced to serve customers who are of different skin tone from yours.
There has not been one downside of forcing businesses to service African American citizens. Not one!!!!!!!!!!
Why should business owner be allowed to run a business the way they want?
Why shouldn't a business owner be allowed to run a bar or whatever for blacks only? Or Asians only? Or Jews only? Or LGBT only? Or woman only?
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Let's abolish all laws, people commit them anyways. Laws serve no purpose.
So IOW, you completely ignored my post....
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