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Old 09-09-2013, 10:19 AM
 
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I just did. Can't you read? If what you say were true, then states with the most generous benefits would have an influx of unmarried couples looking to get the best benefits. That is not happening in the real world. This not happening disproves what you wrote.

The other reality that the states with the stingiest benefits in the southern states have the highest number of births to single moms also disproves what you wrote.

Again if money was a motivating factor then the states with the best benefits would have the highest rates of births to single parents. This is not the case in the real world. This is a known fact.
I provided a link from the CDC. Your opinion is not proof.

 
Old 09-09-2013, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Many hard working Americans pay from their own pocket for health care and they are not rich. How many of these medicaid births are anchor babies whose parents are illegal?
 
Old 09-09-2013, 10:24 AM
 
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Wait... those on Medicaid ALREADY have access to free contraception services. So, why aren't they using contraception?
It is very difficult to get medicaid if you are an able bodied adult. If you are pregnant, however, you and the baby qualify for medicaid.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 10:24 AM
 
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It means the same as when Happy Texan writes that other people are footing the bill.
So you think it is the same when my wife and I have a baby and our health insurance that we and our employers have paid dearly for our entire working careers is the same as the non-working, single person knocked up by some thug who will never be in either the mom's or baby's life that is all covered by gov't programs that neither of them ever paid a freaking cent into??

THAT IS A SICK WAY OF THINKING and there is no doubt that it is putting the pinch on our whole system.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 10:26 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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It certainly doesn't help that we have millions of illegal aliens giving birth on our soil either all compliments of Medicaid via the U.S. taxpayer dollars.
No, it certainly doesn't.

And do you have a clue as to WHY these illegals will continue to come here and not be sent back in any meaningful way?

<hint> It's another form of corporate welfare, funded by the taxpaying public.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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According to International Health Plans data, a vaginal births in the US cost $9775, In Switzerland its $4039, Great Britain $2641, France $3,541.

So no you are factually wrong. Those nations all have far more government intervention in medicine and their costs are much lower.

Yet the horrifying fact is despite over paying like we do. We don't get better outcomes. As a nation we have outrageously high infant mortality rates.
Our infant survival rates have been improving but not keeping pace with the rest of the developed world.
There likely is a direct correlation between an increase in Medicaid births and infant survival rates.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I think the reporter screwed up the statistics in that article. I have found several links that say this:

Four in 10 children are born to unwed mothers

Knowing a lot of under 30 females, I find it totally unbelievable that (according to your link)
**By 30, two-thirds of women will have had a child out of wedlock.

Nary a one of either of my daughter's friends has had a baby out of wedlock.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 10:29 AM
 
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So you think it is the same when my wife and I have a baby and our health insurance that we and our employers have paid dearly for our entire working careers is the same as the non-working, single person knocked up by some thug who will never be in either the mom's or baby's life that is all covered by gov't programs that neither of them ever paid a freaking cent into??

THAT IS A SICK WAY OF THINKING and there is no doubt that it is putting the pinch on our whole system.
First off most people on Medicaid are working. Many people pay into medicaid, most women do not get knocked by thugs. Medicaid mostly covers children. Nearly all people who get medicaid will at some point in their lives hold a job and thus be paying a freaking cent into it.

Your fantasies not withstanding. As you admitted you and your wife are not footing the full cost of the birth of your child. No one does. This means that other people are footing the bill.

I really don't see a difference because there is not a difference only in your mind about who you think is deserving to have other people foot the bill.

In your mind, you are deserving of having others foot the bill, but other people whom you hate aren't. That is your personal issue, but it doesn't change the basic reality that no one foots the bill for the birth of their child, and that means that other people are footing that bill.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Yes, it is becoming harder for families at child bearing age to afford to live off of one income due to incomes not keeping up with inflation.

The poor should not reproduce.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Florida
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This is idiotic. If government paying for births caused higher costs, then reality in other nations where the government pays, their expenses should be greater. Yet they aren't.


n most other developed countries, comprehensive maternity care is free or cheap for all, considered vital to ensuring the health of future generations.

Ireland, for example, guarantees free maternity care at public hospitals, though women can opt for private deliveries for a fee. The average price spent on a normal vaginal delivery tops out at about $4,000 in Switzerland, France and the Netherlands, where charges are limited through a combination of regulation and price setting; mothers pay little of that cost.

The chasm in price is true even though new mothers in France and elsewhere often remain in the hospital for nearly a week to heal and learn to breast-feed, while American women tend to be discharged a day or two after birth, since insurers do not pay costs for anything that is not considered medically necessary.


According to International Health Plans data, a vaginal births in the US cost $9775, In Switzerland its $4039, Great Britain $2641, France $3,541.

So no you are factually wrong. Those nations all have far more government intervention in medicine and their costs are much lower.

Yet the horrifying fact is despite over paying like we do. We don't get better outcomes. As a nation we have outrageously high infant mortality rates.
The cost is higher because the hospitals charge higher rates to paying individuals because they have to provide free health care for the illegals who keep coming here.. otherwise the hospitals would go bankrupt.. Paying twice as much covers an illegal aliens care for their free operations , free care across the board. There are many who get free health care because they cannot be turned away .
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