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Old 09-09-2013, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
You do not have to be "poor" to get medicaid for expectant mothers. Medicaid isn't one program. It is many programs that all have different requirements.

An expectant mother in the state of Illinois can have a family of 4 with a max income of $47,000 and get Medicaid for expectant mothers. That income level is not poverty.
A max of $47K for a family of four isn't much. If it isn't poverty, it is a step above poverty.

 
Old 09-09-2013, 09:08 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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And that 48% is from 2010.
In three years I'm sure that is well over 50% by now.

I'm worried, are you ?
Yeah, that is clear evidence of the far too many unprepared for conceptions happening.

Better sex education, better contraception and better access to free abortion services too.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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The stats are the stats..48% of US births were paid for by medicaid in 2010.
The increase from 2008 to 2010 was 8%.
It could be over 50% now since 3 years have passed since that stat was released.
It will increase even more after Jan 2014.

How they qualified for medicaid is up to states and fed.
But the fact remains that other people are paying these bills and these bills are increasing each year.
Did I dispute those facts? No.

All the births of children results in other people paying the bills. No one actually pays for the full cost of child birth by themselves in this nation. No one.

So why you think medicaid is some special exemption is a problem of your feelings.

I repeat no one pays for the full cost of child birth which means for every birth other people are footing the bill.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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According to the code it seems they can also opt-out with no penalty, possibly. Has to be like 8% of income. But susidized seems to mean tax credits which I don't really consider subsidized. People still have to cough that up, right? Or are they somehow applying those before hand?
They are called tax credits but it's up front subsidies on your 2014 estimated income.
I originally thought they were true tax credits to be taken on your 1040 when you file in 2015 but no, they are up front subsidies starting Jan 2014. They are not true tax credits.

Obamacare changed definitions so it could pass.
And then changed them against when they were brought to court.

You get a subsidy if you can't afford it and you get a penalty if you don't buy insurance.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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It's wonderful that the state funds almost half of all births - think of all the abortions that were prevented. Note that the higher rates are in the Bible belt - now if we could only get public schools there to promote safe sex & contraceptive use and not their abstinence/ignorance programs.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 09:12 AM
 
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A max of $47K for a family of four isn't much. If it isn't poverty, it is a step above poverty.
Well, I am not saying it is a lot of money, but the median household income is like $50,000-$52,000.

My only point is that Happy Texan is incorrect, you don't have to be poor to get Medicaid for an expectant mom because the income requirements from state to state are not the same.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 09:12 AM
 
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The stats are the stats..48% of US births were paid for by medicaid in 2010.
The increase from 2008 to 2010 was 8%.
It could be over 50% now since 3 years have passed since that stat was released.
It will increase even more after Jan 2014.

How they qualified for medicaid is up to states and fed.
But the fact remains that other people are paying these bills and these bills are increasing each year.
Medicaid doesn't mean people do not pay necessarily. Also people is always the source of the ability to create and fund such things. The govt gets its abilities from people. Without them they have nothing. One reason the govt really needs to get out of all of it imo. However, I don't see that happening. The reverse is.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A max of $47K for a family of four isn't much. If it isn't poverty, it is a step above poverty.
No wonder Illinois has money problems.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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Medicaid doesn't mean people do not pay necessarily. Also people is always the source of the ability to create and fund such things. The govt gets its abilities from people. Without them they have nothing. One reason the govt really needs to get out of all of it imo. However, I don't see that happening. The reverse is.
This is true. Right now some people receiving medicaid are paying this is an objective fact.

Also, no one pays for the full cost of the birth of their child. This means other people are footing the bill for the birth of every child. Medicaid is merely another way that we all pay for the birth of children.
 
Old 09-09-2013, 09:23 AM
 
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Links for what? I already posted 2. More than you have. (lol)
Um, no. Your links only proved that the majority of contraceptives are effective not the other way around. Neither of your links said anything about any negative impact about long term use of the pill either.
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