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We've always had this "open border", and it was a lot more "open" in the past when the worst thing facing an America tourist was having to bribe a cop. Not to derail this topic, but our southern border is several thousands of miles of either mostly a combination of desert, mountains, or coastal prairie. Not exactly an easy area to monitor and intercept illegal immigrants.
Kay bro.
Since the Civil War and shortly after, America has begun to industrialize and push it's boundaries from coast to coast. The "native American" problem would be begin wind down post Civil War as America pushed westward and begin to grow at an increasing population and increasing urbanized rate. Our army became more powerful, our country became more powerful economically, and politically. Law enforcement and social services grew pushing down crime overall until present day.
A rebellion against the local government in 1946 against local corruption, most mid to major cities (aka local governments) present day have would be an entirely different story.
I know that this is your and GunLover's discussion, but what the hell does that have to do with the right to self protection?
Maybe one reasonable liberal can explain to me -- why are liberals afraid of people's right to bear arms? Would be nice if the response isn't "for the sake of people."
Not a liberal but a pragmatic. I support laws for today's society, it's not necessarily "for the sake of the people" but adapting to modern society. Like I said I prefer a balance, I don't support the notion that more guns are a good thing.
Since the Civil War and shortly after, America has begun to industrialize and push it's boundaries from coast to coast. The "native American" problem would be begin wind down post Civil War as America pushed westward and begin to grow at an increasing population and increasing urbanized rate. Our army became more powerful, our country became more powerful economically, and politically. Law enforcement and social services grew pushing down crime overall until present day.
Can you cite the Article that says "guns are to kill Indians?"
Not a liberal but a pragmatic. I support laws for today's society, it's not necessarily "for the sake of the people" but adapting to modern society. Like I said I prefer a balance, I don't support the notion that more guns are a good thing.
And you also do not have any facts that say one way or another. The facts are that still in todays modern society, crime is still a major issue whether you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend it is not is your choice.
Do you know what these millions of pages of laws even say?
Studies have been done, in the U.S. today it would take longer than the average lifespan of a human to read every law and statute that applies to them. And that is if they were reading every waking second.
In other words, anyone who claims to know all the laws is a liar.
I know that this is your and GunLover's discussion, but what the hell does that have to do with the right to self protection?
Illustrating how America's transformation from an agrarian, frontier society to a modern, industrialized society has produced a society of more rules. Crime has trended downward as law enforcement and legislation related to crime was increased due to urbanization.
I said OUR government. Throwing Hitler in the mix is really reaching....
Not really. Hitler is the perfect example of how stupid people can be when they elect leaders and ignore their transgressions. People are stupid and they look for someone to lead them even if it's off a cliff. If you take away the people's right to defend themselves then they have no recourse to correct their stupid mistakes.
The U.S. is universally thought to have a three tiered system of checks and balances. Like a triangle. It's actually four tiered (and even more stable) with the fourth leg being an armed citizenry.
Anyways, that's logical considering the past. Your position is the illogical one that ignores history and human nature and it is based on feelings.
Illustrating how America's transformation from an agrarian, frontier society to a modern, industrialized society has produced a society of more rules. Crime has trended downward as law enforcement and legislation related to crime was increased due to urbanization.
That's irrelevant. Why don't you take 2 seconds to read the Second Amendment. You said you know the laws of society...
And you also do not have any facts that say one way or another. The facts are that still in todays modern society, crime is still a major issue whether you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend it is not is your choice.
Indeed. Ending the War on Drugs would be a great way to reduce crime and be a positive step for our neighbors south of the border to become more stable and productive countries.
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