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Old 07-24-2014, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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No, not always but we have to keep changing and learning even if mistakes are made.
No, we dont specifically if that change is for the worse.

We have learned what works and what does not.

 
Old 07-24-2014, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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What fallacies are we talking about here about goverment rights
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Taking a dirty bomb into the 7/11, shooting up a police station, bombing a federal building, attacking a government installation of ANY kid by ANY means is not something the Constitution will protect you from
No one said that is, and no one has used a dirty bomb in this nation...Maybe you should google it to see what a dirty bomb is.


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if Timothy McVeigh had stood up and said that his attack was justified, and that the government was tyrannical. . .could that of saved him from the needle?
Nope, that idea that you can claim justification against tyranny(wither it be real or not) does not matter, not will they care.

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Did the south, when it took up arms, get away with it. . .because they are allowed to rebel against a tyrannical govt?
For the most part, yeah they did, I mean they lost the war but were let back in the nation, the troops and leadership given pardons for the most part, the troops send home, paid and pensions funded, rights intact..I mean seeing the outcome of almost every other civil war in human history they were the exception rather then the rule.


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During the Taos revolt . . .did we say "well they are just establishing their constitutional right to rebel"
Do not know to much about Taos, will get back to you on it,


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Do not make any mistake. You are not protected if you think the US Govt itself is tyrannical. If we are invaded by Russia, than shoot away
We are not protected by the US Constitution if you dont think the Federal Government is tyrannical.
 
Old 07-24-2014, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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your thinking a govt. action is treason, does not make it treason.


If the Govt. violates the Constitution than the process would require the judicial branch to rule, and that ruling would decide if the govt violated or not. If violated than the US Govt would take actions (repeal, etc).

The US Govt polices itself, your only say is by vote - not by gun. Use a gun, your going to jail.
And if the courts themselves have been disbanded or in our case corrupted, then what?
 
Old 07-24-2014, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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It is. It's not coincidence that socialism began around the Industrial Revolution when Capitalism was producing historical inequality and working conditions were abysmal.

You rubes can't figure out that socialism is just a response to be negative consequences of capitalism. Socialism will only grow as our labor market continues to adapts to a globalized, automated economy.
Really? What is life like in North Korea, China, Cuba, Venezuela, and in the USSR?

How equal are/were they?

Yeah it is "just a response, just the wrong one.

and when jobs are moved over seaseas, and automation takes what few job remain, who will you blame?
 
Old 07-24-2014, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Chris is right.

What you quoted was doable in 1776. It sure as hell isn't today or will be in the future unless we annihilate ourselves and start over as cave men.

Those who focus on guns as freedom protectors are living a delusion and should be using their time and energy to build political consensus.
Well they are, and what have...so yeah.
 
Old 07-24-2014, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Not to mention the 2nd Amendment specifically says, "well-regulated militia". The National Guard fits the definition, not some hicks in Alabama.
Militia are made of private citizens, your unwillingness or inability to understand an accept this fact does not change it..
 
Old 07-24-2014, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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They just don't want to understand how things have changed. It is more favorable for them to believe the government is afraid of an armed citizenry.
Other then Technology, what has changed?

Has Human Nature changed?

Has the nature of Government changed?

Has the nature of power and its corrupting influence changed?

Has the nature of those in power bribing the citizenry with their own money changed?

Hate to break it to you but things never really change, and if you think other wise, I really do think you need to study history more..
 
Old 07-24-2014, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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I've beaten this to death, but if the government wants to kill you badly, you won't stop them. A drone could fire a missile at your house from a mile away, and you would never know what happened. A tank could turn you into a crater from 2.5 miles away.
So why did we lose in Vietnam?

Why did the Soviets lose in Afghanistan?

Why are we losing in Afghanistan?

Why is ISIS winning in Iraq and Syria?
 
Old 07-24-2014, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Well, if they did that, then it would be the rebellion's demise. The point of banning guns is to protect other citizen's safety. Adam Lanza could not have killed (as many) innocent children with a knife.

But if the government really, really wanted to crush the people... One bomber squadron could level New York.
How did that work out in Nazi Germany?

How did that work out in the Soviet Union?

How did that work out in Maoist China?

How many could have been saved in a few of those teachers had the ability to kill that evil being?

So you are ok with people being stabbed but not be allowed to shot a attack with a conceal firearm?

So you are ok with a Government that would use its Armed Force, the agents charged with the defense of this nation and its Constitution, and its people, and use them to murder the people they swore a oath to defend?

Such a Government is not tyrannical and should not be abolished?

Pal, I love you and people like you, you are so honest with the falsehoods you believe..
 
Old 07-24-2014, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Wouldn't you be scared out of your mind if the city down the interstate to the west or east got blown to bits? Face it, you would. Individual Americans have little to no balls.
Yeah please don't confuse the whole of America with the Beta Males of the North East...
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