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Old 09-14-2013, 02:10 PM
 
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So you're admitting that it's not strong enough to enforce itself?
The constitution is neither police nor judge.

It's a standard we are supposed to hold ourselves to.

 
Old 09-14-2013, 02:11 PM
 
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Then let's raise the minimum wage. The cost of goods will go up a small amount, but taxes will go down more because our cash will go straight to the working poor instead of grinding through government bureaucracy.
this is sarcasm, right?
 
Old 09-14-2013, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by petch751 View Post
Yes America is one of the few countries where you can be born into poverty and rise to riches. It's only people who think that riches is their right without giving anything to earn it or in return that don't get it and waste their opportunity.

For some reason people in the U.S. think they are "owed" a job. They think they should be paid brain surgeon wages with hamburger flipper skills.
We all hope that we can make a better life for our children, and most of us succeed. Sadly there are also some people who fall into unlucky circumstances, and struggle to find a way to rise up.

We are all given an education, we can all go anywhere in the US that we want, and make a life. Some folks take the easy way out, they drop out of school, fall into crime, or engage in irresponsible behavior, and turn their life into something that is just this side of hell. Or they set their sights and aspirations to a very low mark, and are content to live there. There is nothing wrong with that, if all you want is a modest life, then that is fine, not everyone wants to make their work and money the focus of their life.
 
Old 09-14-2013, 02:22 PM
 
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I am. It is used as a display of arrogance yet the definition does not make sense with the usage.
It isn't used as a display of arrogance, which is why the definition doesn't make sense to you.
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America is an exception to what is my question?
An exception to every other nation on the planet.
Well, then, America is exceptional too isn't it? So you've got nothing to complain about.
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America is not special.
Only one nation can be responsible for giving more humanitarian help to people around the world without asking anything in return. That nation is America.
Only one nation can have its entertainment and culture sought after by more other nations than any other one. That nation is America.
Only one nation can be responsible for preventing more attempts at world domination than any other one. That nation is America.
Only one nation can be responsible for more scientific discoveries than any other one. That nation is America.
Only one nation can be the first one founded on the principle of equality and inalienable human rights. That nation is America.
Only one nation can be the one doing the most to combat terrorism around the globe. That nation is America.

Now, if I had given a different answer to each of those things - if China had been founded on human rights, and Russia had produced more science, and England's entertainment had been embraced around the world, and France had stopped WWI, WWII, and the Cold War, and Saudi Arabia donated more to disaster and starvaton relief around the world than anyone else, and Norway was responsible for more counterterrorism efforts than anyone else - well then you'd have a point. But the fact is, it is America the leads in all those categories simultaneously.

That makes America special. America is self evidently exceptional and it takes liberals actively demonizing it to make it seem not special. The ivory tower leftist academics have to come up with revisionist history and special theories for why America isn't exceptional to counteract the plainly obvious fact that it is.
 
Old 09-14-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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I am conservative on many issues and liberal on others, but I am tired of hearing this crap. It means absolutely nothing. It means about as much as a sign that says worlds best Pizza. Its just crap and it gets repeated so much it means even less than that.


you have no idea what it even means it is not about Americans it is about our country
and it is not about our government
why not learn about it before you go spouting off about it
 
Old 09-14-2013, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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It isn't used as a display of arrogance, which is why the definition doesn't make sense to you.

An exception to every other nation on the planet.

Well, then, America is exceptional too isn't it? So you've got nothing to complain about.

Only one nation can be responsible for giving more humanitarian help to people around the world without asking anything in return. That nation is America.
Only one nation can have its entertainment and culture sought after by more other nations than any other one. That nation is America.
Only one nation can be responsible for preventing more attempts at world domination than any other one. That nation is America.
Only one nation can be responsible for more scientific discoveries than any other one. That nation is America.
Only one nation can be the first one founded on the principle of equality and inalienable human rights. That nation is America.
Only one nation can be the one doing the most to combat terrorism around the globe. That nation is America.

Now, if I had given a different answer to each of those things - if China had been founded on human rights, and Russia had produced more science, and England's entertainment had been embraced around the world, and France had stopped WWI, WWII, and the Cold War, and Saudi Arabia donated more to disaster and starvaton relief around the world than anyone else, and Norway was responsible for more counterterrorism efforts than anyone else - well then you'd have a point. But the fact is, it is America the leads in all those categories simultaneously.

That makes America special. America is self evidently exceptional and it takes liberals actively demonizing it to make it seem not special. The ivory tower leftist academics have to come up with revisionist history and special theories for why America isn't exceptional to counteract the plainly obvious fact that it is.
All we need to do is look around the world, and we see many nations and people who used to be a epitome of science, engineering, music, art and ingenuity. They were exceptional in their time, but look at these countries now. We had mathematics invented in places like ancient Babylonia and Egypt, what do these places provide to the world today? Did the people change, or did their society and culture change? Somehow they went from exceptional to dysfunctional.
 
Old 09-14-2013, 03:11 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Wapasha View Post
We all hope that we can make a better life for our children, and most of us succeed. Sadly there are also some people who fall into unlucky circumstances, and struggle to find a way to rise up.

We are all given an education, we can all go anywhere in the US that we want, and make a life. Some folks take the easy way out, they drop out of school, fall into crime, or engage in irresponsible behavior, and turn their life into something that is just this side of hell. Or they set their sights and aspirations to a very low mark, and are content to live there. There is nothing wrong with that, if all you want is a modest life, then that is fine, not everyone wants to make their work and money the focus of their life.
Their irresponsible behavior results in struggling through life yet they blame the results of their irresponsibility on everyone and anything they can grab on to, anyone but themselves which results in more of the same. Others who fell on bad times, well it's ok to feel sorry for yourself for a "short" time but there comes a time one has to take action. Obama and democrats feed into takes advantage of types of people.
 
Old 09-14-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I think some people sided with Putin, because he was essentially saying people are people, and no one is inherently better then another simply because of what country they live in.
Nah, they sided with Putin because Putin was taking the anti-American stance, and they liked it.

Putin also said this about Russia: " We will not allow someone to impose their will on us, because we have our own will! It has helped us to conquer! We are a victorious people! It is in our genes, in our genetic code!"

Does he sound like he thinks people are people?
 
Old 09-14-2013, 04:18 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Originally Posted by kidkaos2 View Post
It isn't used as a display of arrogance, which is why the definition doesn't make sense to you.

An exception to every other nation on the planet.

Well, then, America is exceptional too isn't it? So you've got nothing to complain about.

Only one nation can be responsible for giving more humanitarian help to people around the world without asking anything in return. That nation is America.
Only one nation can have its entertainment and culture sought after by more other nations than any other one. That nation is America.
Only one nation can be responsible for preventing more attempts at world domination than any other one. That nation is America.
Only one nation can be responsible for more scientific discoveries than any other one. That nation is America.
Only one nation can be the first one founded on the principle of equality and inalienable human rights. That nation is America.
Only one nation can be the one doing the most to combat terrorism around the globe. That nation is America.

Now, if I had given a different answer to each of those things - if China had been founded on human rights, and Russia had produced more science, and England's entertainment had been embraced around the world, and France had stopped WWI, WWII, and the Cold War, and Saudi Arabia donated more to disaster and starvaton relief around the world than anyone else, and Norway was responsible for more counterterrorism efforts than anyone else - well then you'd have a point. But the fact is, it is America the leads in all those categories simultaneously.

That makes America special. America is self evidently exceptional and it takes liberals actively demonizing it to make it seem not special. The ivory tower leftist academics have to come up with revisionist history and special theories for why America isn't exceptional to counteract the plainly obvious fact that it is.
I agree with what you wrote - except for the last sentence. To date, the ONLY people that I have seen (in real life) that agree with anything Putin said - are extreme conservatives. Everyone else is offended by most of what he said.
 
Old 09-14-2013, 04:19 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Nah, they sided with Putin because Putin was taking the anti-American stance, and they liked it.

Putin also said this about Russia: " We will not allow someone to impose their will on us, because we have our own will! It has helped us to conquer! We are a victorious people! It is in our genes, in our genetic code!"

Does he sound like he thinks people are people?
I guess maybe he thinks THEY are 'exeptional' after all. Typical politician - talking out of both sides of his mouth. And some are busy lapping up his every word.
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