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Originally Posted by Oldglory
Libby/lefties can't stand to admit that there were any decent Republican presidents. Surprised they aren't ripping Eisenhower to shreds also.
Well I'm not sure how libby/lefty I'm qualified to be called,but I think both Nixon and Ford were much better repub presidents than Reagan ever thought of being...Reagan was a lying waste of skin is all he was.
But somehow he just kept quiet about it and didn't say a word until he faced so much political backlash that his advisers admitted he needed a "salvage operation".
Yeah.
Sure the whole thing was kabuki theater from the Dems and the media. But in politics, as the old saying goes, perception is reality. So Reagan had to conduct a salvage operation.
Compare it to the situation when Obama said "the police acted stupidly" in the Skip Gates dustup. Obama's advisors knew that it was a serious gaffe and that they needed a salvage operation, so they came up with the "beer summit." Obama Scrambles to Defuse Race Flap - WSJ.com
Obama had issued an implicit false accusation of racism against the cop, who turned out to be some kind of diversity specialist in his dept. The false accusation of racism is arguably a racist tactic in itself, since it foments division, and has a 'boy cries wolf' effect that makes it harder for genuine victims of racism to get justice. So do I conclude that Obama is a racist? Probably not. And neither was Reagan. Both just made unfortunate PR blunders.
Bottom line, your claim of the Bob Jones U dustup as evidence of racism is debunked, along with states rights and South Africa. Give it up.
Reagan also created huge deficits and grew Americas national debt with tax cuts for the rich (or as he called them trickle down economics and the supply side formula.)
Why are you glamorising and protecting R. Reagan ??
What I wouldn't do for annual deficits that average 4.7% of GDP!
Well I'm not sure how libby/lefty I'm qualified to be called,but I think both Nixon and Ford were much better repub presidents than Reagan ever thought of being...Reagan was a lying waste of skin is all he was.
Well Nixon was at the head of a major felony. He is also, its suspected, responsible for the contiuance of the Vietnam war when Johnson was trying to end it, by calling tye south vietnamese president and telling him he'd get a better deal from Nixon, before he'd even taken the oath of office.
Fact: Senior GOP strategist Lee Atwater mentions "state's rights" as one of the coded phrases to be used when implementing the Southern Strategy - to with, a strategy of appealing to disgruntled racists who are p.ssed of at the Democrats giving up on segregation, anti-miscegenation etc.
Fact: Ronald Reagan uses that phrase in a speech held on a spot loaded with civil rights history.
Fact: Reagan spoke out against the Voting Rights Act and sided with the Bob Jones University over segregation.
Sure, Reagan could have been a clueless oaf who blundered into blowing that particular dog-whistle in that particular setting - I am not ruling it out, because unlike you and Ms. Coulter, I do not claim the ability to be able to travel back in time and read Mr. Reagan's mind.
Fact: Senior GOP strategist Lee Atwater mentions "state's rights" as one of the coded phrases to be used when implementing the Southern Strategy - to with, a strategy of appealing to disgruntled racists who are p.ssed of at the Democrats giving up on segregation, anti-miscegenation etc.
Fact: Ronald Reagan uses that phrase in a speech held on a spot loaded with civil rights history.
Fact: Reagan spoke out against the Voting Rights Act and sided with the Bob Jones University over segregation. (Until that potato got a little bit too hot.)
Sure, Reagan could have been a clueless oaf who blundered into blowing that particular dog-whistle in that particular setting - I am not ruling it out, because unlike you and Ms. Coulter, I do not claim the ability to be able to travel back in time and read Mr. Reagan's mind. But there's no debunking to be had here, sorry.
Fact, Reagan was fighting racism when progressives were still pushing Eugenics (see post 9)
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Originally Posted by Steven Hayward
One cold evening in Dixon, Ill., in the early 1930s, a young man known as Dutch Reagan brought home two African American teammates from his Eureka College football team. The team was on the road, and the local hotels had refused the two black players. So Reagan invited them to spend the night and have breakfast with his family.
In November 1952, in one of his final meetings as president of Hollywood’s Screen Actors Guild, Ronald Reagan called upon the entertainment industry to provide greater employment for black actors. His stand went against the times and received national media attention
Fact: the speech was not "on a spot loaded with civil rights history, namely the town of Philadelphia, MS. It was at the County fairgrounds seven miles away.
Fact: Reagan did not side with "Bob Jones University over segregation." We've already been over that in this thread.
Fact: Reagan had a long history of supporting states' rights for reasons having nothing to do with race. Here he is in 1967 talking to WF Buckley about it. Yes, the same WF Buckley that so many lefties now claim to be nostalgic for.. Ronald Reagan - States' Rights - YouTube
Fact: states' rights is in the US Constitution after all--the 10th Amendment. Is every dem president who swears to uphold the US Constitution, including Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, and Obama, also racist?
Didnt Reagan support apartheid and then flipped flopped on it and spoke against it..
Reagan went so far as to veto The Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act of 1986 which banned all new U.S. trade and investment in South Africa and imposed sanctions against the regime. His veto was overridden by the Senate 78 to 21 and the House by 313 to 83. Congress handed Reagan a history-making rebuke as it marked the first time in the 20th century a foreign policy veto had been overridden.
In 1980, Republican candidate Ronald Reagan's proclaiming "I believe in states' rights" at his first Southern campaign stop was cited as evidence that the Republican Party was building upon the Southern strategy again. Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, NWORD NWORD NWORD." By 1968 you can't say "NWORD" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is that blacks get hurt worse than whites.
So thats why its seen as racist, maybe not to you but....
Reagan sent his closest foreign policy aide, William Clark, on his first official trip; it was to South Africa to express America’s disapproval. An unsmiling Clark told Prime Minister Pieter W. Botha to his face that the new president and administration “abhorred apartheid.” Clark walked out on Botha.
While accurate in depicting Reagan’s opposition to sanctions against South Africa, “The Butler” does not explain why he opposed them. Reagan saw sanctions as harmful to the poorest South Africans: millions of blacks living in dire poverty. He also feared that the apartheid regime could be replaced by a Marxist/totalitarian one allied with the Soviet Union and Cuba and that communism would spread throughout the continent. South Africa’s blacks were denied rights under apartheid, but communism would mean no freedom of speech, press, assembly, religion, conscience, emigration, travel or even property for anyone. Moreover, in communist nations such as Cambodia and Ethiopia, people had been slaughtered and starved on mass scales. Nearly a dozen nations had become part of the Soviet orbit in the immediate years before Reagan became president. He didn’t want South Africa to undergo the same catastrophe.
Remember, FDR formed an alliance with Stalin with the aim of defeating Hitler. Does this make FDR pro-Stalinist and somehow responsible for the 100 million or so people that Stalin murdered? Not really. That is just geo-politics for you.
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