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Old 09-13-2013, 02:31 PM
 
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Thanks, I know how to read already. I find it interesting that a warning of possible increased natural disasters is something that conservatives feel the need to ridicule. Tell me, if there are actually increases, what will you do then? If there were no predictions, I could see you blaming scientists, national weather service, etc. Explain to me how predicting a possible increase in natural disasters has a negative effect on you or this country. Or is this just one more thing you conservatives just have to p*ss & moan about because you've got nothing much else to do?
Predictions aren’t the problem. It is the taking the predictions, turning them into historical fact BEFORE the history happens and then government spending BILLIONS on insane schemes to reduce CO2 because the predictions that turned out to be wrong were treated has historical fact before they were actually history.. That is the problem.

It is absolutely provable that we have NOT seen any uptick in hurricanes and instead have seen a downturn in the last 10 years. That is a hard and fast reality. This all the while seeing what the Warmists call the hottest decade on record. AND this has happened during a period where CO2 has steadily increased to near 400 ppm. At the same time we have seen a decrease in cyclonic activity, Warmists Scientists have told us that there has actually been MORE hurricane activitiy. Why are they lying? BECAUSE we know they are lying.

THAT is the problem.
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:33 PM
 
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So you deny the destruction of habitat by humans? That's actually a fact. Again, what is the agenda?
habitat distruction and Catistrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming are two very different things. Lets not conflate the two.
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:38 PM
 
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habitat distruction and Catistrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming are two very different things. Lets not conflate the two.
Actually, human induced global warming could be at the very root of habitat destruction for polar bears, which is what we were discussing.
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:44 PM
 
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Pot

See Kettle color, black


The only way you can become a "Global warming denier" is to focus and parrot specific articles, people, that only parrot your own world view. Ignore all media as being in on some large conspiracy.. and then cherry pick facts as try to make yourself sound smart, when reality. . .your using the intelligence to confirm a already held belief and have no real interest in facts.


There is no global warming

its a conspiracy, a liberal one. . .just as big as 9/11

*yawn
Sorry the way to become a SKEPTIC is to read the scientific lit pushed by the IPCC, look at their predictions going back 15 years or so then look at reality.

In fact in the last 6 months or so there have been a good half dozen peer reviewed papers that clearly demonstrate the IPCCs understanding of climate sensitivity is vastly overstated.

When you look at sea ice in the Arctic and understand that in the 1930’s there was a similar reduction in sea ice area as we are seeing now. Then you see the breathless predictions that turn out to be off by a huge amount….

When you hear claims that weather is getting worse, then you understand that the data just does not support that notion. NOAA will tell you that tornadoes are neither more frequent, nor more powerful. The peer review record PROVES that there is zero trend in global flooding…yet we get reports from the Warmists that rain storms are worse. We hear that hurricanes are more and bigger. But the data does not support that at all.

Then in the most recent hearing in the Senate, one of the Warmists champions actually said “if you look for a CAGW signal on the global level you won’t find it. You have to look regionally†She actually said that! LOL


Seeing all THAT is how you become a skeptic. Sorry but the CAGW freakout crowd is losing eyes are opening. Australia just kicked out its CAGW made party and is correcting course as we speak…..
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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Actually, human induced global warming could be at the very root of habitat destruction for polar bears, which is what we were discussing.
No. there is no distruction of polar bear habitat. It may be changing some in some areas in recent years but those changes are not outside of the changes that have occured over the last 30,000 years. During that period we have seen changes to the habitiat in both cold and warmer directions and Polar Bears have survived. AND we know for a fact that Polar Bear numbers have NOT decreased in the last decade.

There is ZERO evidence to suggest that. The reports that have suggested such have been out and out proven wrong.
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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No. there is no distruction of polar bear habitat. It may be changing some in some areas in recent years but those changes are not outside of the changes that have occured over the last 30,000 years. During that period we have seen changes to the habitiat in both cold and warmer directions and Polar Bears have survived. AND we know for a fact that Polar Bear numbers have NOT decreased in the last decade.

There is ZERO evidence to suggest that. The reports that have suggested such have been out and out proven wrong.
Oh, ok. Well maybe you can take a read at some of those links in the website I provided. Thanks.
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:48 PM
 
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I am? Please pray tell, point out where I even alluded to that.
lets cut thru the junk here.

either you buy the IPCCs CAGW theory and thus the remedy they suggest IE Keyoto or you dont.

if you dont then why are we having this discussion?
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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lets cut thru the junk here.

either you buy the IPCCs CAGW theory and thus the remedy they suggest IE Keyoto or you dont.

if you dont then why are we having this discussion?
Kyoto. Why indeed.
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:51 PM
 
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Oh, ok. Well maybe you can take a read at some of those links in the website I provided. Thanks.
I did. ive read most of them before.

that doesnt undo the simple reality. there is no current (I mean in the last year) support for the notion that Polar Bear populations are shrinking. There is no valid support to suggest they are under stress.

There is some evidence that one or two areas were populations have reduced but there is other evidence that other areas are increasing in numbers.


Previously the idea was that population drops were due to deaths. more recent research is suggesting that the bears are actully moving and adapting.


sorry.
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:53 PM
 
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you are forgetting that the global warming alarmists have made radical claims over the years, things like;

more hurricanes
less hurricanes
more high powered hurricanes but fewer overall
more ice in the ice caps
less ice int he ice caps
more snowfall
less snowfall
more rain
less rain
more intense weather
less intense weather
more sea level rise
less sea level rise

apparently it all depends on who is president at the time. if a republican, then all the bad things happen, if a democrat then all the good things happen.

but in the end it doesnt matter because it is all reagans or bushs fault anyway.
"Follow the money"
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