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Old 09-17-2013, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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I agree with the decision.
I just don't like govt controlling everything. Should be the schools decision.
I agree. They should be given a choice between keeping creationism out of their classrooms or being forced to shut their doors.
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:03 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Way to go!!!!!! I'm impressed lawmakers in New Zealand know the difference between mythology and science.



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Good, it should be banned.
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Deepest Darkest NZ
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This whole 'debate' is relatively new and, I'm afraid to say, mostly confined to the US. Most Christians in other countries have no problems with evolution.
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Old 10-14-2013, 04:23 AM
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Location: Florida
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Should be the schools decision.
That's exactly like saying that it should be a store's decision whether to sell a product that is fraudulently represented with.

The issue with creationism is not that the story isn't worthy literature or that it carries no moral lessons. The issue is that the freedom to promulgate creationism has been abused, with many presenting it fraudulently as factual history instead of the reality, that it is religious mythology. If there wasn't a long-standing pattern of abuse of the freedom offered by those aiming to fraudulently present creationism as something it is not, it wouldn't be necessary for the government to step in, just like there is no need for the government to step in on fraudulent product labeling until there is a pattern of an industry misrepresenting its offerings.
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:27 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Default static education is no education

More evidence for creationism than evolution. It is as difficult to believe evolution as it is creationism.

Education involves thinking because the facts you learn at any given time soon give way to new knowledge. Education is not static facts, apprently not even is history class. To teach a child for a day is not the same as teaching a child to continue learning.

Creationism and evolution should be taught side by side as both are widespread beliefs and would be a lesson in critical thinking and show the partnership between religion, science and society. Especially as the science and religion come closer to a critical point as in the higgs boson discoveries/ god particle.

Restricting edu to facts approved for a moment in time is a disservice to our future.
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:41 AM
 
Location: Better half of PA
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New Zealand is a VERY controlling big gov country.
Well, they also make reading a part of required learning so I guess your head is really spinning now.
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Better half of PA
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More evidence for creationism than evolution. It is as difficult to believe evolution as it is creationism.

Education involves thinking because the facts you learn at any given time soon give way to new knowledge. Education is not static facts, apprently not even is history class. To teach a child for a day is not the same as teaching a child to continue learning.

Creationism and evolution should be taught side by side as both are widespread beliefs and would be a lesson in critical thinking and show the partnership between religion, science and society. Especially as the science and religion come closer to a critical point as in the higgs boson discoveries/ god particle.

Restricting edu to facts approved for a moment in time is a disservice to our future.
Yea but creationism is open to religious interpretation so that may be a problem in a public school.
For example I believe Christians and the Hopi both believe in creation, but I'm willing to bet that's where the similarity ends.
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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More evidence for creationism than evolution. It is as difficult to believe evolution as it is creationism.

Education involves thinking because the facts you learn at any given time soon give way to new knowledge. Education is not static facts, apprently not even is history class. To teach a child for a day is not the same as teaching a child to continue learning.

Creationism and evolution should be taught side by side as both are widespread beliefs and would be a lesson in critical thinking and show the partnership between religion, science and society. Especially as the science and religion come closer to a critical point as in the higgs boson discoveries/ god particle.

Restricting edu to facts approved for a moment in time is a disservice to our future.
More evidence for creationism, tell me what facts would be taught in a science curriculum to support that theory, evidence that man preceded the dinosaur?
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:55 AM
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Location: Florida
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More evidence for creationism than evolution.
False.

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It is as difficult to believe evolution as it is creationism.
False.

Falsehood isn't a sound foundation for arguments.
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