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Old 09-19-2013, 01:57 AM
 
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So you admit that single payer works?

Good. I agree.


No, as everyone would not pay and you know this.
It is not possible for all to pay.
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Old 09-19-2013, 02:58 AM
 
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I feel sorry for them but this is what they wanted. They didn't want to have any of their benefits attached to any employer. So now they are on their own.

It was that way so that employers could keep their best employees.
But the younger crowd don't stay at jobs very long.
Employers don't keep employees for long either.

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No, as everyone would not pay and you know this.
It is not possible for all to pay.
It is possible, but some people don't want to pay. Ever wonder why people advocate for a Euro style system, but don't want to adopt Euro style rules?
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Old 09-19-2013, 06:56 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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$5K is huge to people that can't afford a few hundred a month in premiums.
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I feel sorry for them but this is what they wanted. They didn't want to have any of their benefits attached to any employer. So now they are on their own.

It was that way so that employers could keep their best employees.
But the younger crowd don't stay at jobs very long.
Employers don't seem to care all that much about keeping their 'best' employees anymore. But they do like to keep their cheapest employees these days.
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Old 09-19-2013, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Employers don't seem to care all that much about keeping their 'best' employees anymore. But they do like to keep their cheapest employees these days.
I did say "was" as in past tense.
The world has caught up to the US and surpassed us in education.
Why wouldn't employers go after the cheaper labor pool if they are just as qualified ?
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Old 09-19-2013, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Don't worry folks the facilitators should sort this all out.
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Old 09-19-2013, 11:25 AM
 
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Oh, isn't that sweet. Another limousine liberal strikes again. You know just the right things to say to make a common man's dreams feel like petty desires to the elitist liberal's wants.
Do you have an argument of sorts to make?
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Old 09-19-2013, 11:27 AM
 
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Wrong. Do your research and correct your post.
This is really weird. AeroGuyDC has been proven wrong, yet he hasn't been around to correct his post. I sure hope he's all right. Because surely he wouldn't insist on other people living up to a standard he himself isn't ready to shoulder.
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Old 09-19-2013, 12:17 PM
 
Location: California
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I feel sorry for them but this is what they wanted. They didn't want to have any of their benefits attached to any employer. So now they are on their own.It was that way so that employers could keep their best employees.
But the younger crowd don't stay at jobs very long.
You have it backwards though. You can keep the best employees by paying a good wage, you don't need bells a whistles. It's not the "young" that are doing this, it's what's being done to them by employees who see cheap or free (interns) labor and a key component to profit. That should never have happened. Combined with an overall lack of jobs that we no longer have because the world has changed it's killer.

Look back not just at the jobs we've shipped overseas but the jobs that we've eliminated with out "self serve" mindset. Those jobs won't come back because we don't want to pay for it. Vicious cycle.
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Old 09-19-2013, 12:43 PM
 
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we (the taxpayer) cant afford singlepayer
Why? We'd save money. France has a single payer system - the percentage of their budget spent on healthcare is lower than ours.

Our system is incredibly inefficient. In Switzerland, if a private insurance company or provider spends more than 5 cents on the dollar for administrative costs, they have to pay the difference, here in the U.S, over 20 cents on the dollar is typically spent on administrative costs.
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Old 09-19-2013, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Why? We'd save money. France has a single payer system - the percentage of their budget spent on healthcare is lower than ours.

Our system is incredibly inefficient. In Switzerland, if a private insurance company or provider spends more than 5 cents on the dollar for administrative costs, they have to pay the difference, here in the U.S, over 20 cents on the dollar is typically spent on administrative costs.
France has a universal system, not single payer.
85% of the people also have private insurance as well.

Health care in France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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